No wonderful weeks for Baghdad

Electrophil · #1 09-01-2006, 09:52 AM

The innuendo is intentional.

Maybe we should send in troops to help stabilize the area.

Iraq, Iraq, Iraq. Put Bush in Jail!

RSVX · #2 09-01-2006, 11:52 AM

Why, because he coordinated all of the terroristic attacks there?

Electrophil · #3 09-01-2006, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by RSVX

Why, because he coordinated all of the terroristic attacks there?

Agreed wholeheartedly!!

lhopp77 · #4 09-01-2006, 03:46 PM

It is to bad that the religious fanatics won't let things settle down in the Baghdad area. They need to take some lessons from the 70% of the country that is progressing and moving forward.

Lee

Electrophil · #5 09-01-2006, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by lhopp77

It is to bad that the religious fanatics won't let things settle down in the Baghdad area. They need to take some lessons from the 70% of the country that is progressing and moving forward.

Lee

Regardless of what the Republican Enquirer printed, Baghdad IS almost 70% of the country.

If your boy hadn't of wanted to give his boys a profit, he wouldn't have lied, and there wouldn't be terrorism in Iraq, and there wouldn't be a civil war. If Saddam was good enough to sell WMD's to prior to when Bush Senior allowed his invasion, then Saddam should have been good enough for Rumsfield, Bush and company now.

Wonderful week?

Pentagon says civil war.

lhopp77 · #6 09-01-2006, 08:15 PM

More fiction from the left like the original Plame out accusations. Everyone should read the Washington Post today about the Plame story:

"It was a story that consumed official Washington for three years and was fanned by media reports. But a Washington Post editorial today says the revelation that Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage, not a partisan gunslinger, was the original leaker in the Valerie Plame case undercuts what it calls "one of the most sensational charges leveled against the Bush White House that it orchestrated the leak of Ms. Plame's identity to ruin her career" and punish her husband, Bush critic Joe Wilson. The Post flatly declares that it is now clear those accusations are "untrue."

Wilson's attorney continues to insist that White House officials publicly tried to punish him by outing Valerie Plame as a CIA operative and says the paper wrongly implied that he was sent to Niger at his wife's suggestion, though one investigation found just that.

But The Post claims Wilson should have expected that questions about the origins of his mission would point to Plame, saying: "The person most responsible for the end of Ms. Plame's CIA career is Mr. Wilson" himself."

Lee

Electrophil · #7 09-01-2006, 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by lhopp77

More fiction from the left like the original Plame out accusations. Everyone should read the Washington Post today about the Plame story:

"It was a story that consumed official Washington for three years and was fanned by media reports. But a Washington Post editorial today says the revelation that Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage, not a partisan gunslinger, was the original leaker in the Valerie Plame case undercuts what it calls "one of the most sensational charges leveled against the Bush White House that it orchestrated the leak of Ms. Plame's identity to ruin her career" and punish her husband, Bush critic Joe Wilson. The Post flatly declares that it is now clear those accusations are "untrue."

Wilson's attorney continues to insist that White House officials publicly tried to punish him by outing Valerie Plame as a CIA operative and says the paper wrongly implied that he was sent to Niger at his wife's suggestion, though one investigation found just that.

But The Post claims Wilson should have expected that questions about the origins of his mission would point to Plame, saying: "The person most responsible for the end of Ms. Plame's CIA career is Mr. Wilson" himself."

Lee

You don't really believe that do you? People have predicted a fall guy from day one. It's written in every standard procedure manual in every government in the world.

The "Post" declares? Who do they think they are, Fox news?

lhopp77 · #8 09-02-2006, 12:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Electrophil

You don't really believe that do you? People have predicted a fall guy from day one. It's written in every standard procedure manual in every government in the world.

The "Post" declares? Who do they think they are, Fox news?

Are you getting forgetful in your old age---The "Post" along with the NY Times were the papers that kept it a live story for nearly 3 years. The Post is admitting that it was wrong and it would not surprise me that the Times might also in the next day or so.

Fitzgerald obviously knew this early on and that is why there were no indictments for the leak. That and the fact that Wilson lied repeatedly and Plame was not a covert agent anyway.

Much to do about nothing and the "Post" is finally admitting it.

Hurts doesn't it---no smoking gun and actually Armitage is no great friend of the Bush Administration.

Lee

Electrophil · #9 09-02-2006, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by lhopp77

Are you getting forgetful in your old age---The "Post" along with the NY Times were the papers that kept it a live story for nearly 3 years. The Post is admitting that it was wrong and it would not surprise me that the Times might also in the next day or so.

Fitzgerald obviously knew this early on and that is why there were no indictments for the leak. That and the fact that Wilson lied repeatedly and Plame was not a covert agent anyway.

Much to do about nothing and the "Post" is finally admitting it.

Hurts doesn't it---no smoking gun and actually Armitage is no great friend of the Bush Administration.

Lee

You are falling for the same political hype and misdirection that this administration has continuously dished out. This Hype will continue until the Republicans lose control in November, and then it's all going to break loose. When the logic of obvious deception stares us in the face, the only cause can be cover up. It's been that way throughout history.

lhopp77 · #10 09-02-2006, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Electrophil

You are falling for the same political hype and misdirection that this administration has continuously dished out. This Hype will continue until the Republicans lose control in November, and then it's all going to break loose. When the logic of obvious deception stares us in the face, the only cause can be cover up. It's been that way throughout history.

As long as the liberal NYT and Wash Post were spouting the line you agreed with, you thought they were the greatest thing since sliced bread. BUT--now that they are coming clean and calling it like it is based more recent information/revelations------you fall back on the "falling for the old line" routine. What's the matter---can't you admit that you were wrong as the NYT and WP are doing????? Do I remember something about a flakey "conspiracy theory" in your recent past-----and you accuse me of "falling" for something???????

Lee

shotgunslade · #11 09-02-2006, 01:47 PM

Excerpts from the Dick Cheney speech to Veterans of Foreign Wars' 103rd National Convention in Nashville, Tennessee in August 2002.
"Another argument holds that opposing Saddam Hussein would cause even greater troubles in that part of the world, and interfere with the larger war against terror. I believe the opposite is true."
"Regime change in Iraq would bring about a number of benefits to the region… When the gravest of threats are eliminated, the freedom-loving peoples of the region will have a chance to promote the values that can bring lasting peace."
"As for the reaction of the Arab 'street,' the Middle East expert Professor Fouad Ajami predicts that after liberation, the streets in Basra and Baghdad are 'sure to erupt in joy in the same way the throngs in Kabul greeted the Americans," Cheney said in the same speech.
"Extremists in the region would have to rethink their strategy of Jihad," added Cheney. "Moderates throughout the region would take heart."
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William Patey, the outgoing British ambassador to Iraq, has warned British Prime Minister Tony Blair that civil war is a more likely outcome in that country than democracy. The BBC reports that the confidential leaked memo also predicted the breakup of Iraq along ethnic lines into three separate countries. While "not hopeless," Mr. Patey wrote, it will remain a "difficult and messy" situation for the next five to ten years. Even the lowered expectation of President Bush for Iraq – a government that can sustain itself, defend itself and govern itself and is an ally in the war on terror – must remain in doubt."
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"In academic terms, this is a civil war, and it's not even a small one," said Larry Diamond, a former consultant to the provisional authority in Baghdad who is now critical of the Bush administration's policies in Iraq.
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Today on Fox News Sunday, Sen. Chuck Hagel (R-NE) said that Iraq is in a “very defined civil war” and that the Middle East is “the most unstable we’ve seen since 1948.” He also reiterated that the United States needs to begin withdrawing troops within the next six months because staying the course just continues to “kill Americans and put Americans in the middle of a civil war that we have less and less control and influence over every day.”
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Excerpts fron Dick Cheney’s speech on August 28, 2006 at the Veterans of Foreign Wars' 107th National Convention in Reno Nevada:
“Before we took down Saddam Hussein's regime, President Bush said the United States would not permit another dictatorship to rise on the ruins of the old one. And today, Iraq has the most progressive constitution and the strongest democratic mandate in the entire Arab world. Iraq's political leaders are steady and courageous, and the citizens, police, and soldiers have stepped forward as active participants and guardians of the new democracy -- running for office, speaking out, voting by the millions, and sacrificing for the future of their country.”
“Iraqi citizens are doing all of this despite threats from terrorists who offer no political agenda for Iraq's future and wage a campaign of mass slaughter against the Iraqi people themselves -- the vast majority of whom are fellow Arabs and fellow Muslims."
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WHATEVER CHENEY WAS SMOKING IN 2002, HE’S STILL SMOKING.

Electrophil · #12 09-08-2006, 12:30 AM

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Originally Posted by lhopp77

As long as the liberal NYT and Wash Post were spouting the line you agreed with, you thought they were the greatest thing since sliced bread. BUT--now that they are coming clean and calling it like it is based more recent information/revelations------you fall back on the "falling for the old line" routine. What's the matter---can't you admit that you were wrong as the NYT and WP are doing????? Do I remember something about a flakey "conspiracy theory" in your recent past-----and you accuse me of "falling" for something???????

Lee

He's a fall guy. He's out, it doesn't matter to him, and Bush can weasel out of his firing someone. His administration still committed treason. "I didn't know it was a secret" only washes with this particular administration, and will only last until Congress is taken over by responsible adults again. Admit it, this administration has been a failure from all sides. They are just flat out incompetent, and thinks everyone else is a dumb as they are. And some are. But most aren't.

Bush is trying hard right now to save what's left of the republican party he destroyed. It's shattered, and the medicine is rolling in. Once control is in Democratic hands, (Literally), the real investigations and indictments will commence.

And we ain't talkin' dress stains on this one.

Electrophil · #13 09-08-2006, 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by shotgunslade

Excerpts from the Dick Cheney speech to Veterans of Foreign Wars' 103rd National Convention in Nashville, Tennessee in August 2002.
"Another argument holds that opposing Saddam Hussein would cause even greater troubles in that part of the world, and interfere with the larger war against terror. I believe the opposite is true."
"Regime change in Iraq would bring about a number of benefits to the region… When the gravest of threats are eliminated, the freedom-loving peoples of the region will have a chance to promote the values that can bring lasting peace."
"As for the reaction of the Arab 'street,' the Middle East expert Professor Fouad Ajami predicts that after liberation, the streets in Basra and Baghdad are 'sure to erupt in joy in the same way the throngs in Kabul greeted the Americans," Cheney said in the same speech.
"Extremists in the region would have to rethink their strategy of Jihad," added Cheney. "Moderates throughout the region would take heart."
-----
William Patey, the outgoing British ambassador to Iraq, has warned British Prime Minister Tony Blair that civil war is a more likely outcome in that country than democracy. The BBC reports that the confidential leaked memo also predicted the breakup of Iraq along ethnic lines into three separate countries. While "not hopeless," Mr. Patey wrote, it will remain a "difficult and messy" situation for the next five to ten years. Even the lowered expectation of President Bush for Iraq – a government that can sustain itself, defend itself and govern itself and is an ally in the war on terror – must remain in doubt."
-----
"In academic terms, this is a civil war, and it's not even a small one," said Larry Diamond, a former consultant to the provisional authority in Baghdad who is now critical of the Bush administration's policies in Iraq.
-----
Today on Fox News Sunday, Sen. Chuck Hagel (R-NE) said that Iraq is in a “very defined civil war” and that the Middle East is “the most unstable we’ve seen since 1948.” He also reiterated that the United States needs to begin withdrawing troops within the next six months because staying the course just continues to “kill Americans and put Americans in the middle of a civil war that we have less and less control and influence over every day.”
-----
Excerpts fron Dick Cheney’s speech on August 28, 2006 at the Veterans of Foreign Wars' 107th National Convention in Reno Nevada:
“Before we took down Saddam Hussein's regime, President Bush said the United States would not permit another dictatorship to rise on the ruins of the old one. And today, Iraq has the most progressive constitution and the strongest democratic mandate in the entire Arab world. Iraq's political leaders are steady and courageous, and the citizens, police, and soldiers have stepped forward as active participants and guardians of the new democracy -- running for office, speaking out, voting by the millions, and sacrificing for the future of their country.”
“Iraqi citizens are doing all of this despite threats from terrorists who offer no political agenda for Iraq's future and wage a campaign of mass slaughter against the Iraqi people themselves -- the vast majority of whom are fellow Arabs and fellow Muslims."
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WHATEVER CHENEY WAS SMOKING IN 2002, HE’S STILL SMOKING.

I hope he isn't sharing, cause his brain is obviously damaged.

lhopp77 · #14 09-08-2006, 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Electrophil

He's a fall guy. He's out, it doesn't matter to him, and Bush can weasel out of his firing someone. His administration still committed treason. "I didn't know it was a secret" only washes with this particular administration, and will only last until Congress is taken over by responsible adults again. Admit it, this administration has been a failure from all sides. They are just flat out incompetent, and thinks everyone else is a dumb as they are. And some are. But most aren't.

Bush is trying hard right now to save what's left of the republican party he destroyed. It's shattered, and the medicine is rolling in. Once control is in Democratic hands, (Literally), the real investigations and indictments will commence.

And we ain't talkin' dress stains on this one.

You are wrong again Robert, as usual. Just keep smoking whatever you are smoking and the days will pass faster even if a little fuzzier. There were no punishable laws broken and you are dreaming to think anything bad will happen to Bush. The Demos might take control of the House, but gains like that are not unusual in a mid term election.

Someday you will admit that Bush was right in the decision and just maybe the military and intelligence planners were somewhat wrong in the final execution of the mission. Just maybe. There is still a better than a 50/50 chance that things will end fine.

It is also obvious that Iran has a BIG finger in the pie, not only in Iraq but throughout the Middle East. Something will have to be done with them and a pullout of Iraq now would only add to their strength and result in more exported terrorism worldwide. You need to read again the pledges of the Najaf educated Shiite Muslims starting back with Ayatollah Khomeni all the way to the current regime in Iran, El Sadr in Iraq and the leader of Hezbollah. While we have see what Al Qaeda can do---these Shiites are trying to acquire a nuclear arsenal and I promise you they are not going to use it for solely defensive reasons.

Smell the roses--Robert, and get off your "hate Bush" soap box and think about a wider spectrum.

Lee

Electrophil · #15 09-08-2006, 10:33 AM

Keep thinking Bush is innocent, as more evidence grows daily. -> Yep... More evidence here.

I agree with you 100% on Iran having a hand, but that was obvious before the invasion. The exiled group wanting U.S. intervention lived in Iran. Quite a few were mumbling about turning over power to the Shiites prior to our invasion. Of course, they were smacked in the face with the usual "Unpatriotic!" and "support our President!" BS that roamed heavily in those Rove days.

Now these Iranian influenced individuals have the power as a gift from your president.... Uhhhh.... Where are we missing the point on this?

You are absolutely right. We can't walk away.

And Bush needs to be held accountable for that fact.

I'll jump off that soap box as soon as justice is done. And you know he and his BushCroniums conspired this invasion. They worked hard to get it, and that was never a secret. And it has cost our country dearly in troops, reputation, and boatloads of money. I don't understand your stubborness in accepting this fact, and the "Decider" being held accountable for his actions.