Definition of teenage behavior

[NikFu S.]

AKA The Derail Completely and Attack My Character thread.
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This is not a joke thread. This is an honest attempt at debate.


I'll start with the Dictionary.com definition and we can go from there.

"adj. Of, relating to, or applicable to those aged 13 through 19."

As a debater your job is now to expand upon this definition to include behaviour which is strictly relegated to that age range, and if you are ambitious and following the "women" thread, somehow apply it to me. This is not a challenge, but I think the results would be interesting.

As thread starter, I'm channeling democracy and allowing the viewing populace to decide whether I should be involved directly in the debate. That means, should I respond to topic-specific posts. Again, I think the results will be interesting.

The last thread I made received no responses. I don't think this is unique to my threads as I am often first poster in quite a few, but who knows. What I do know is if there are no responses here I win the debate by default.

Go.

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Winner: svxistentialist
Runner-up: subi-crosser

[subi-crosser]

Originally Posted by NikFu S.

This is not a joke thread. This is an honest attempt at debate.


I'll start with the Dictionary.com definition and we can go from there.

"adj. Of, relating to, or applicable to those aged 13 through 19."

As a debater your job is now to expand upon this definition to include behaviour which is strictly relegated to that age range, and if you are ambitious and following the "women" thread, somehow apply it to me. This is not a challenge, but I think the results would be interesting.

As thread starter, I'm channeling democracy and allowing the viewing populace to decide whether I should be involved directly in the debate. That means, should I respond to topic-specific posts. Again, I think the results will be interesting.

The last thread I made received no responses. I don't think this is unique to my threads as I am often first poster in quite a few, but who knows. What I do know is if there are no responses here I win the debate by default.

Go.

I just finished a day where I took my 17 year old daughter on a short road trip. I also spent a few hours 'hanging out' with her. She wanted to go to her 'favorite' place and enjoy the view and tranquility. We made that stop on the way home. I asked her if she wanted me to wait in the car. She said," No, I enjoy the company"..

I have been BLESSED with GREAT teen-agers!! I am so glad that MY teenagers didn't act like the ones that MY parents had to raise!!

My (4) children have been a BLESSING to me!! I thank God every day, that I didn't have the problems that ALL the other parents in my age group have had!! I have NO children strung out on heroin, none in jail, no hookers. I can leave my wallet on the table when I go to sleep and I WILL have a driveable car to go to work in the morning!!

The only issue that I have with the kids is that 4 out of 4 don't really want to spend a lot of time with mom. Hummmmm.

I sure am glad that I took the time to EXPLAIN where I stand to them when they were young!! I also tried to be 'available' when a problem came up.
I didn't 'Lecture'. I allowed them to 'vent', then we talked about it. Sometimes I could fix it, sometimes they had to fix it themselves, BUT, I took the time to LISTEN!! I didn't stop them to interject my ideas, I waited till they ASKED for my ideas..

The more I see other people's kids and listen to the horror stories, the more I HUG and tell MINE that I LOVE them and thank GOD for them!!

The youngest and I sat in the car one night. She said that "Mom has a favorite". I asked her If Dad has a favorite?? She said, " I don't know"....


THAT's the KEY!!! She didn't know if Dad had a favorite after living with me for 16 years, at the time.

Since I am not a 'normal' Dad, I guess that my opinions on 'normal' teenaged behavior might not count!!

I drink and smoke too much, I work too long, I spent too much time in the garage, BUT.... MY Kids LOVE me!! I love and RESPECT them and their opinions!

[NikFu S.]

You're a bit eccentric, and I think that's one of the things that makes you a good parent with especially valid input.
Well you must be, because you're doing better than mine. I'm the "good, successful" one in my family out of 7 siblings, one recently deceased thanks to cocaine.

Anyhoo, I have to beat feet. Keep it rolling.

[subi-crosser]

Originally Posted by NikFu S.

You're a bit eccentric, and I think that's one of the things that makes you a good parent with especially valid input.
Well you must be, because you're doing better than mine. I'm the "good, successful" one in my family out of 7 siblings, one recently deceased thanks to cocaine.

Anyhoo, I have to beat feet. Keep it rolling.

I was the 'black sheep'!! The 'problem child'. The one LEAST likely to make it!
I guess that is where some of my 'skills' came from! I learned from my mistakes. I might not be the guy that you are looking for with the 'posts' that condemn teenagers...

[iizbeastie]

As far as any one persons permission to enter a debate is concerned, I would interject that a debate is not complete if any one opinion is rejected. After all, is that not the entire point?

Now as far as strictly relating things consistent within an age range, I doubt that will be possible in consideration of all those like myself who refuse to grow up. I tried it, and then I had kids. As far as validity of opinion on the matter, well let me say this. Last weekend, I moved to be closer to work. I knew my apartment was 'near' a high school, not long after signing the lease, I learned that it was in fact kitty corner. I took note of the field opposite the intersection the day I viewed the apartment, I did not realize that it was the practice field for the football team. So, like it or not, I will be increasing my knowledge and views on 'teenage behavior' rather quickly. Not to mention only 7 1/2 years before my son hits 'that age'.

[TomsSVX]

Teenage behavior can be categorized as many things. A couple examples below

1. God syndrom... I can do anything, I am never gonna die
2. Pitty Parties... Everyone!!! Come see how sad I am and feel bad for me
3. Lacking ability to learn from not only their own, but other's mistakes
4. Lacking ability to seriously think that something someone else has to say, means something or could be correct.
5. Extending arguments simply because it gains them attention.
6. Starting threads like this

Tom

[svxfiles]

Mine are 19 and 18.
One in The Navy, and one at college to be a Mechanical Engineer.
They did not have a "normal" upbringing
strike points, car stuff, martial arts, history, conspiracy,

But they are GREAT kids!
No jail, no pregnancies, no big scares.....
I have always told and shown them that I love them.
















And I am very proud of them.

[subicrossersgrl]

Originally Posted by subi-crosser

I just finished a day where I took my 17 year old daughter on a short road trip. I also spent a few hours 'hanging out' with her. She wanted to go to her 'favorite' place and enjoy the view and tranquility. We made that stop on the way home. I asked her if she wanted me to wait in the car. She said," No, I enjoy the company"..

I have been BLESSED with GREAT teen-agers!! I am so glad that MY teenagers didn't act like the ones that MY parents had to raise!!

My (4) children have been a BLESSING to me!! I thank God every day, that I didn't have the problems that ALL the other parents in my age group have had!! I have NO children strung out on heroin, none in jail, no hookers. I can leave my wallet on the table when I go to sleep and I WILL have a driveable car to go to work in the morning!!

The only issue that I have with the kids is that 4 out of 4 don't really want to spend a lot of time with mom. Hummmmm.

I sure am glad that I took the time to EXPLAIN where I stand to them when they were young!! I also tried to be 'available' when a problem came up.
I didn't 'Lecture'. I allowed them to 'vent', then we talked about it. Sometimes I could fix it, sometimes they had to fix it themselves, BUT, I took the time to LISTEN!! I didn't stop them to interject my ideas, I waited till they ASKED for my ideas..

The more I see other people's kids and listen to the horror stories, the more I HUG and tell MINE that I LOVE them and thank GOD for them!!

The youngest and I sat in the car one night. She said that "Mom has a favorite". I asked her If Dad has a favorite?? She said, " I don't know"....


THAT's the KEY!!! She didn't know if Dad had a favorite after living with me for 16 years, at the time.

Since I am not a 'normal' Dad, I guess that my opinions on 'normal' teenaged behavior might not count!!

I drink and smoke too much, I work too long, I spent too much time in the garage, BUT.... MY Kids LOVE me!! I love and RESPECT them and their opinions!

Ok, since I am still a teen-ager. I am going to interject my opinion for the first time ever. One thing I will mention is that I am the 17 year old that subi-crosser mentioned. Hi. No subi-crosser you are not a "normal" dad. I also agree with you that you work too much. And I still think your opinion counts. No I don't do drugs. No I've never been to jail. But, I think half the problem with alot of today's kids and the violence has to do A LOT with the music and videogames of today. But mostly the video games. Grand Theft Auto doesn't help much. It encourages you to kill people and steal cars and other stuff like that. I myself actually have played it so I know from experience. There's my peace for tonight. I'm Out.

[NikFu S.]

I think this deserves a reply as it is a topic I have previously yet am still interested in discussing seriously (and also I don't want her to think she's been ignored)

Originally Posted by subicrossersgrl

But, I think half the problem with alot of today's kids and the violence has to do A LOT with the music and videogames of today. But mostly the video games. Grand Theft Auto doesn't help much. It encourages you to kill people and steal cars and other stuff like that.

There is another person with this belief. His name is Jack Thompson and he is notorious within the video gamer circles.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Thompson_(attorney)

This man devotes his life to "exposing" violence in video games as the harbinger of doom for today's youth.

Well, it only takes one rebuttal to prove, yes prove this theory of violent video games being horrible, is a wash.

Bad kids have existed looooong before video entertainment. Violent video games, and movies, and music are popular because these tendencies are natural in humans, as they are natural in most living creatures.

You see some bad kids? Blame hormones. That's ok. Blame other bad kids. That's ok. Blame the parents. That is more than ok. Don't blame media. The media exists because of the nature, not the other way around.

You might argue that say a violent musical piece sets free dormant violent intentions, and you could be right. You could also say an angry parent, or friend, or random person can do the same thing with mere words and actions that aren't even set to a catchy beat. Again, the point remains these angry and rebellious feelings were pre-existent.

Violent media is simply an easy scapegoat, and a lot of people need it. I need to be able to blast people online with an M4A1 Carbine. I feel great when I do it. Sometimes I get angry when they do it to me. Matter of fact I get angry very easily when I get shot up. Does it make me want to go shoot things up for real? No. I'd never think of it. Well, I did shoot some metal targets (backed by a huge mound of dirt) recently but they didn't complain much. (:

[subi-crosser]

Originally Posted by NikFu S.

I think this deserves a reply as it is a topic I have previously yet am still interested in discussing seriously (and also I don't want her to think she's been ignored)


There is another person with this belief. His name is Jack Thompson and he is notorious within the video gamer circles.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Thompson_(attorney)

This man devotes his life to "exposing" violence in video games as the harbinger of doom for today's youth.

Well, it only takes one rebuttal to prove, yes prove this theory of violent video games being horrible, is a wash.

Bad kids have existed looooong before video entertainment. Violent video games, and movies, and music are popular because these tendencies are natural in humans, as they are natural in most living creatures.

You see some bad kids? Blame hormones. That's ok. Blame other bad kids. That's ok. Blame the parents. That is more than ok. Don't blame media. The media exists because of the nature, not the other way around.

You might argue that say a violent musical piece sets free dormant violent intentions, and you could be right. You could also say an angry parent, or friend, or random person can do the same thing with mere words and actions that aren't even set to a catchy beat. Again, the point remains these angry and rebellious feelings were pre-existent.

Violent media is simply an easy scapegoat, and a lot of people need it. I need to be able to blast people online with an M4A1 Carbine. I feel great when I do it. Sometimes I get angry when they do it to me. Matter of fact I get angry very easily when I get shot up. Does it make me want to go shoot things up for real? No. I'd never think of it. Well, I did shoot some metal targets (backed by a huge mound of dirt) recently but they didn't complain much. (:

I drove a schoolbus, so I had a LOT of time with other peoples kids. I drove the 'run' that went over hill and dale. I did this for a living before my kids were born. I had a little bit of 'experience' with kids before I tried it myself.

I had (2) trips with (2) loads of 64 kids, each. In 'redneck math' I had 128 of 'other' peoples kids EVERY school day.

The ones that caused me problems are either in jail or dead. PERIOD.

The ones that were good kids then are good adults now. I have kinda tracked them.. I have very little to add to this post,

On my 'parting' shot. The quiet 4th grader that rode my bus was the youngest daughter of a bar fighting alcoholic. She is now my SUPERVISOR!! I HELPED her get the job! We worked together, I saw her potential, I did all I could to help her advance. I do not regret my decision!

So much for 'genetics'!!

Everyone is capable of MURDER or Sainthood. It's all about personal CHOICES and resposibility! No excuses. You are what you are. What you are is determined by the choices you make.

[iizbeastie]

I was for some reason avoiding it but here it is.

I don't think video games and music are the source of teenage behavior, but in fact the product. These cames and albums are being produced by a slightly higher age range in most cases who are venting the frustrations that are being blamed on the very same games. Think about it that way for a second and I'm sure you will see the logic.

I will however add that much of todays music is is actually producing speech impairments. Consider these young people growing up and not realizing their music is less than appropriate for their child and allowing them to hear it.... now consider the amount of slang and slurred words in some songs, it truly would be discouraged by any speech therapist.

[odepaj]

Originally Posted by subi-crosser

I just finished a day where I took my 17 year old daughter on a short road trip. I also spent a few hours 'hanging out' with her. She wanted to go to her 'favorite' place and enjoy the view and tranquility. We made that stop on the way home. I asked her if she wanted me to wait in the car. She said," No, I enjoy the company"..

I have been BLESSED with GREAT teen-agers!! I am so glad that MY teenagers didn't act like the ones that MY parents had to raise!!

My (4) children have been a BLESSING to me!! I thank God every day, that I didn't have the problems that ALL the other parents in my age group have had!! I have NO children strung out on heroin, none in jail, no hookers. I can leave my wallet on the table when I go to sleep and I WILL have a driveable car to go to work in the morning!!

The only issue that I have with the kids is that 4 out of 4 don't really want to spend a lot of time with mom. Hummmmm.

I sure am glad that I took the time to EXPLAIN where I stand to them when they were young!! I also tried to be 'available' when a problem came up.
I didn't 'Lecture'. I allowed them to 'vent', then we talked about it. Sometimes I could fix it, sometimes they had to fix it themselves, BUT, I took the time to LISTEN!! I didn't stop them to interject my ideas, I waited till they ASKED for my ideas..

The more I see other people's kids and listen to the horror stories, the more I HUG and tell MINE that I LOVE them and thank GOD for them!!

The youngest and I sat in the car one night. She said that "Mom has a favorite". I asked her If Dad has a favorite?? She said, " I don't know"....


THAT's the KEY!!! She didn't know if Dad had a favorite after living with me for 16 years, at the time.

Since I am not a 'normal' Dad, I guess that my opinions on 'normal' teenaged behavior might not count!!

I drink and smoke too much, I work too long, I spent too much time in the garage, BUT.... MY Kids LOVE me!! I love and RESPECT them and their opinions!

Your post tells more that your children are blessed to have you!

I don't think that when it comes to the younger generations of today, blame can be placed in one place.

There are alot of things that change the equation.

I know I don't have alot of experience with kids. Im only 21 and don't have children of my own. I had an ex who had a 2 year old daughter though (haha, like that gives me any knowledge)!

I will say, for the few months that I was dating said lady, her daughter become more tolerable and warmed up to alot more people.

Most of how children will become later on is from the people and environment they are around.

A smart child will still make bad decisions, that doesn't make them a "bad child".

When I was younger (and even now) I know when I'm making a bad choice. It's a part of growing up, we just gotta hope that children know where the line is and when not to cross it.

Blaming games and t.v. is a stickman.

I play plenty of first-person shooters, but I've never pointed a real gun (loaded or unloaded) at a person in my life.

I know where fantasy and reality are different. In some ways, certain video games can even be good for people (No, I dont mean educational games).

I know for a fact, if I haden't grown up playing the Gran Turismo series, I would have wrecked plenty of cars. I don't drive fast on streets, I don't try and race every Honda I come across.....

I know what the limits of my vehicle are and if I should happen to be in an emergency situation, I know what input I need to make in the car to have it do what I need it to do.

Theres a big difference between Gran Turismo and real life driving, but I can use the experience I have from a simulator in real life.

It also can be a vent for the need to drive fast and race. If I should happen to want to experience it in real life I drive out to the San Antonio Raceway or find out when the next Auto-X is.


My $.02



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[TomsSVX]

epic description of teenage behavior....
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Tom

[Tim]

Originally Posted by TomsSVX

epic description of teenage behavior....


Tom

Fixed it for you....


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