Presidential Race

halistan · #1 10-12-2012, 12:37 PM

Ok, seen the Presidential debate and the VP debates now.

Without causing too much of a firestorm...anyone wanna take bets on who will win the election?

I'm independant and not particularly attached to either side. I'm purely asking what people think will happen.

Before the debates I was fairly sure that Obama was going to win the re-election. However, I'm not as certain now. It seems to be a toss up to me.

At this point in time (if I had to make a decision right this moment) I would say that Romney would get it. However, that is likely to change tomorrow...who knows.

Anyone else want to weigh in?

benebob · #2 10-12-2012, 02:33 PM

Does it really matter? Both will take us down a path of unsustainable spending. One just faster than the other. There are better choices out there that the democrats and republicans are paying millions to keep you from hearing about!

halistan · #3 10-12-2012, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by benebob

Does it really matter? Both will take us down a path of unsustainable spending. One just faster than the other. There are better choices out there that the democrats and republicans are paying millions to keep you from hearing about!

I actually couldn't agree with you more Bob. Most of this race I was actually pulling the most for Ron Paul. He makes good sense but the media is so against him I knew he wouldn't have a chance. If he can get on the ballet here then I will vote for him anyway. Even if I'm outnumbered to the point where my vote won't count, i'll do it anyway just because it's the right thing to do.

icingdeath88 · #4 10-12-2012, 02:50 PM

Gary Johnson is the next closest thing. The libertarians have me about half on-board. Half of their views are perfectly in sync with mine, but the other half are very far off.

Landshark · #5 10-12-2012, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by icingdeath88

Gary Johnson is the next closest thing. The libertarians have me about half on-board. Half of their views are perfectly in sync with mine, but the other half are very far off.

Im no Romney lover, but a vote that isnt for him is a vote for Obama, unfortunately.

Conn SVX · #6 10-12-2012, 03:17 PM

There should be a party made up of people that have to work in the trenches for no less than 10 years. Just so they will have an idea what real people are thinking. These professional politicians are really in a dream world.

Lookin4SVX · #7 10-13-2012, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Huskymaniac

The fail started at post #5. Click...click...yer still outta bullets.

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Originally Posted by Landshark

Im no Romney lover, but a vote that isnt for him is a vote for Obama, unfortunately.

I took landshark off ignore so I could read post 5.
By the end of this thread I had put him back on ignore...
Husky, just put him on ignore, it helps.

This goes out to you landshark:

Romney = Obama..
They both want the same thing, more government and more control.
So either way you will end up with less wealth and less freedom.
You want 8 more years of this crap? I would rather have just 4.
Better off sticking with Obama so that in 2016 we can run liberty candidates on both tickets for the primaries to help wake up the masses.
There is also hope for a Ventura independent run in 2016.

I vote for the candidate that will best represent me, this time that would be Gary Johnson.
Too many people want to vote for the winner.. Its human nature..
People need to vote their conscious, not for who they think can win..

Either way this country is in serious trouble, what is happening in Spain is coming here soon..
As long as the Federal Reserve is issuing fiat currency, we are all losing wealth as they flood the market with dollars they print out of thin air.
As long as the IRS takes their share of your labor off the top, then we are all nothing more than surfs.
As long as there is a war on drugs, all your rights are in jeopardy.
As long as we continue our foreign policy of wars of aggression and occupying other nations, we will continue to experience blowback.

Neither Obama or Romney want to end the federal reserve, abolish the income tax and IRS, end the war on drugs, or return to a foreign policy of friendship and free trade with all other nations.
So neither one is getting my vote.

The treasury bubble is going to burst. All dollars are worth nothing. They are backed by nothing but the fact that you can only buy oil from OPEC in dollars. Why do you think there is all this talk about war with Iran? They are taking GOLD for oil..
If you didn't need dollars to buy oil, then other nations would have no need for dollars and wouldn't buy treasuries.. since in 1973 foreign nations can no longer exchange dollars for gold.. so they are just worthless paper.
So even our foreign policy is ruled by the federal reserve.. a private company.. just as federal as "federal express"... accept the federal reserve has not been audited since it was started in 1913..

Now china is to sell oil in yuan.. so the **** is going to hit the fan soon.
Not like we can bomb china, they got nukes, which is why Iran wants a nuke, so that they can sell their oil in not dollars, without fear of being invaded like Iraq was when Saddam threatened to sell oil in euros..
So now that china doesn't need dollars to buy oil, makes you wonder when they are going to dump all their treasuries and destroy our economy.

So, I am moving to the mountains in TN to get away from it all for when SHTF.
I don't want to be within 50miles of a major city...

Have a nice day.

benebob · #8 10-12-2012, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by icingdeath88

Gary Johnson is the next closest thing. The libertarians have me about half on-board. Half of their views are perfectly in sync with mine, but the other half are very far off.

I don't agree with a lot of the platform either but I also recognize that going that route uses something that the parties have taken from you over the past 100 years. Personal responsibility and takes gov't involvement out of activities where the founders never felt the feds had any role in anyways. If you haven't read his lates book 7 principles of good gov't it is very good.

Personally I find it funny that Robamey and Ryden have been fighting tooth and nail to keep someone off the ballot that in every poll pulls nearly 50-50 from the democrats and republicans. I think they just don't want people to realize that he is even worse of a can. as McCain was.

Only a coward would ask you to not vote for who you think is the best person to lead the country in the right direction. Oh, sorry, strike that, I meant to say only landshark...

icingdeath88 · #9 10-12-2012, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by benebob

I don't agree with a lot of the platform either but I also recognize that going that route uses something that the parties have taken from you over the past 100 years. Personal responsibility and takes gov't involvement out of activities where the founders never felt the feds had any role in anyways. If you haven't read his lates book 7 principles of good gov't it is very good.

I will have to check that book. I have gotten back into reading sometimes after a long hiatus, thanks to kindle and audiobooks on my phone.

Basically, here's what I like about GJ (from what I know about him):

Getting rid of the Fed.
Not spending billions on the stupid-ass drug war.
Separation of church/state and letting gay marriage be a state issue.
Foreign policy.
Personal freedoms.
The AMA he did on reddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comment...ian_candidate/

However, I would like to know more about his policies toward corporations. I feel strongly that corporations have too much power over this country and I think they need to be kept more separate from gov't affairs.

Obama has been a disappointment, but Romney is a far worse alternative. If I were to vote for Obama, it would be a vote against Romney.

Landshark · #10 10-12-2012, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by benebob

Only a coward would ask you to not vote for who you think is the best person to lead the country in the right direction. Oh, sorry, strike that, I meant to say only landshark...

In that case, im going to vote for Spiderman, because he has absolutely no chance of being elected president in this race, either.

Oh wait, im not a complete idiot.

SilverSpear · #11 10-28-2012, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by halistan

Ok, seen the Presidential debate and the VP debates now.

Without causing too much of a firestorm...anyone wanna take bets on who will win the election?

I'm independant and not particularly attached to either side. I'm purely asking what people think will happen.

Before the debates I was fairly sure that Obama was going to win the re-election. However, I'm not as certain now. It seems to be a toss up to me.

At this point in time (if I had to make a decision right this moment) I would say that Romney would get it. However, that is likely to change tomorrow...who knows.

Anyone else want to weigh in?

Obama will get re-elected.

injuhneer · #12 10-29-2012, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by SilverSpear

Obama will get re-elected.

We are hosed either way. If Obama doesn't win I am concerned about his Lame Duck actions (contrived civil unrest seems most likely).

If he is re-elected we may as well become a bunch of cheese-eating-surrender-monkeys.

Anyone selling tickets to Mars?

-Mike O