I'm tired.

[dbarnblatt]

Originally Posted by Landshark

sweet. i'm quitting my job (i feel stressed), and you can send me half your paycheck.

Quoted... thanks for that. I can rest my case.

[Landshark]

Originally Posted by dbarnblatt

Quoted... thanks for that. I can rest my case.

...and i can rest while i collect government handouts.

why don't you explain to us what socialism REALLY is then, Karl?

[dbarnblatt]

Originally Posted by Landshark

...and i can rest while i collect government handouts.

why don't you explain to us what socialism REALLY is then, Karl?

Hey, don't call me Karl, I'm a capitalist. I'm just disappointed that the right leaning people are told that our county is becoming socialist when that is not the case. But they all yell it out and grit their teeth. The word "socialist" has been thrown around these past few months with no regard to what it really means or what it really is. Talk to my Grandfather from Eastern Europe about what Socialism is and how we are nowhere near, not even close, to what it is.

Stop playing dumb.

[Landshark]

Originally Posted by dbarnblatt

The word "socialist" has been thrown around these past few months with no regard to what it really means or what it really is. Talk to my Grandfather from Eastern Europe about what Socialism is and how we are nowhere near, not even close, to what it is.

Stop playing dumb.

are we Communist Soviet Union? no.
would our current president like us to be? probably.

“When you spread the wealth around, it’s good for everybody.”
- Barry Obama

[icingdeath88]

Originally Posted by NikFu S.

The problem is trust.

Not that there isn't enough, but there is too much.

The more people you trust, the more people will lead you astray.

Trust no one, challenge/question everything. It's the only true way to be independent.

http://www.boreme.com/posting.php?id=33931#.UJ1qD8XoQip

To paraphrase: There aren't enough hours in the day to question everything. QUestion things that are important to you.

[sunvalleyray]

I totally agree, great points. Read article by David Stockman, former budget director under President Reagan, views on Mitt Romney.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/newswee...ain-drain.html

Ray

[DiabloScoobyru]

I usually refrain from political disussions, but after reading through this thread I feel I have to weigh in with my 2 cents:

The fact of the matter is that the last 2 elections (at the very least) have both been failures. Each time, its come down to the lesser of 2 evils/idiots/asshats (ad nauseum) paradox. I'm sure most of you know the old saying, so I leave it at that. Regardless who wins, neither of them are really worth a damn, and they are both still evil/idiots/asshats.

The problem isn't just the electoral college. The problem is, the entire system is broken. It has become a for profit 2 party system funded by large corporations to further their best interests, and not the independent democratic system looking out for our (the people's) freedoms and interests that our founding fathers envisioned. Its one giant popularity contest.

The only way it is going to change? Restructure the entire system. Stop the large corporations from essentially "buying votes", open up avenues for other parties/candidates to campaign (case in point, Gary Johnson was barred from debating Romney/Obama just because he was 3rd party), and people actually need to start voting their CONSCIENCE and not the popular choice. Think for your damn selves for once.

Of course, seeing as I classify myself as Libertarian (since it is the closest fit), your opinions may vary.

As for the responses regarding socialism, free handouts, etc: I'm leaving that one alone. Plenty I could say, but I choose not to.

edit to add: Dollars to donuts, with the results of this election, things aren't going to end well. History does have a strange and uncanny way of repeating itself, and something about a second term for Mr. Obama doesn't sit well with me (hell, I wasn't happy about the first term, nor did I vote for him but he was the lesser of 2 evils). As far as I'm concerned, he is not my president and I am glad I separated from the military when I was younger.

[Green1995SVX]

Originally Posted by dbarnblatt

It is amusing to me that many who are upset after this election really have no idea what socialism is nor do they really know what the affordable healthcare act is and how it works.

This is so incredibly true. Somebody I'm friends with on Facebook posted something to the effect of "How can we make it through 4 more years of Obama? He has already ruined my life!" (I'm paraphrasing and also left out his use of the "N Word") When I asked how Obama ruined his life, he responded that Obama made him buy health insurance and he cant afford it.

I didn't realize people were so uninformed, especially with being so vocal about their dissatisfaction with this administration. I've always been very careful to know what I'm talking about before getting involved in a political debate, and it seems like there are some conservatives who consider themselves experts after watching 20 minutes of Fox News.

I'd like to add that I almost never engage in political posts on car forums, but I felt I had something very relevant to say here. Please don't get me wrong. I do respect everybody's political views, but only as long as they're grounded in fact. If you are against Obama because you are pro-life, and against gay marriage, that's great. You are standing up for what you believe in. However, if you're against Obama because you think "Obamacare" is going to create death-panels, and because Obama is a closet muslim, that just makes you an idiot.

[Landshark]

Originally Posted by Green1995SVX

If you are against Obama because you are pro-life, and against gay marriage, that's great. You are standing up for what you believe in. However, if you're against Obama because you think "Obamacare" is going to create death-panels, and because Obama is a closet muslim, that just makes you an idiot.

i'm against Obama because (among other things), Obamacare is going to affect the way my wife gets treated for Lyme disease. she's suffered from it for almost 10 years, and has been undergoing treatment for the past 5 years after being misdiagnosed many times.

people she corresponds with who also suffer from it have shared that many of their doctors have TOLD THEM DIRECTLY that if Obamacare goes through, they would be unable to continue treatment or would even be closing their practices. these are not rumors, or internet ramblings - i repeat, this comes directly from the mouths of their physicians.

does anybody really believe the federal government is going to do a good job dictating what your doctors can do for your care? get ready to open your wallets for tax hikes, too, because Obama's talk show appearances aren't going to be paying for it. maybe he can win American Idol ....

[Conn SVX]

Last time I looked, a show of hands was voting. More people raise their hands you win. So now if you win the show of hand, but they live in the wrong State they do not count. All you need is to have one person raise their hand to win the State and you are President. 51% of Texas, Calf,Fla,Ohio , etc. go for you and you win. I get 40 states to vote for me I loose.

[DiabloScoobyru]

Originally Posted by Conn SVX

Last time I looked, a show of hands was voting. More people raise their hands you win. So now if you win the show of hand, but they live in the wrong State they do not count. All you need is to have one person raise their hand to win the State and you are President. 51% of Texas, Calf,Fla,Ohio , etc. go for you and you win. I get 40 states to vote for me I loose.

And this is one of the main reasons why the system is broken.

Landshark, I completely understand where you are coming from with the Obamacare issue. I'm in a similar boat with health problems, and its a fight to even get the care I need now. I shudder to think how it will be if/when Obamacare does get passed (last I had heard was that the Supreme Court ruled it unconstitutional and it was struck down). Its taken 2.5 years for me to even get the diagnoses I have now.

[svxcess]

Did Romney even have a chance? He got the same percentage of votes as Reagan did (but not the 49 state landslide)

http://washingtonexaminer.com/romney...9#.UJ7mIGfsbjM

Most polls consider Reagan the best president since WW2 (but that's another thread)

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[benebob]

Originally Posted by svxcess

Did Romney even have a chance? He got the same percentage of votes as Reagan did (but not the 49 state landslide)

http://washingtonexaminer.com/romney...9#.UJ7mIGfsbjM

Most polls consider Reagan the best president since WW2 (but that's another thread)

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Gotta little more flavors to choose from in the population these days.

[dcarrb]

I'm always curious why folks would rather dismantle social services than FIX social services.

We'll always have to deal with a sorry lot who know how to game the system, from Wall Street-types who enrich themselves at the country's peril down to able-bodied deadbeats who haven't worked for an honest day's pay in their lives. (I submit that the former are much more costly to the rest of us than the latter, but that's another story.)

There's a homeless shelter and food pantry next door to my office (this in a mostly rural exurban area, not some urban southside). I just saw six kids boarding a school bus outside this place. The banner headline on the front page of yesterday's local paper reads, "Food bank facing critical situation." And no, there aren't any Escalades parked out front.

Where are the fathers of these children? Are they paying child support?

Rather than perpetuating the "welfare Cadillac" myth or carping about the horrors of "socialism," we might fare better by addressing the root causes of poverty in this country: Ignorance, greed, substance abuse, and the erosion of core social values. Anybody seen the high school dropout rate for your state lately? A minority of these kids will be equipped to contribute to society in any meaningful way, and one way or another, those who do will have pay for that.

As to medical care, a growing number (patients, or customers?) are being priced out, period. A major medical condition can be financially ruinous to anyone. One way to make care more affordable for everyone is to spread the costs among the largest possible group. Let's say, everyone. This isn't a radical concept, yet we're determined to be the last nation on earth to adopt the idea. I know; it's that scary word: "Socialized" medicine.

dcb

[Landshark]

Originally Posted by dcarrb

One way to make care more affordable for everyone is to spread the costs among the largest possible group. Let's say, everyone. This isn't a radical concept, yet we're determined to be the last nation on earth to adopt the idea. I know; it's that scary word: "Socialized" medicine.

dcb

ask Canada how well that's working out.

wait over a year for a hip replacement? overflowing emergency rooms? sounds like a great system.