Too much timing belt travel...

[Cam]

Originally Posted by kwren

My every post was with genuine concern for you... trying to help you find the path to success. It was never about me, and I apologize for that concern. This again reaffirm my belief in the old adage... "Let no good deed go unpunished"

Your comment about my "tone"... nothing could be farther from the truth.

BYE

Keith

Keith,

Most of the threads you post in have replies with concerns about tone, excessive sarcasm, or other issues with your attitude. Like a wise man once told me, "If people think your an asshole, then you are an asshole."

Just something to think about.

[92snowmachine]

one thing to try would be to put a mark on the belt and driver side cam pulley on the place where the belt runs out towards the front of the car. run the car and watch the marks if it consistently lines up the marks when the belt moves towards the end of the sprocket then it's the belt. if the marks don't line up when the belt moves then it's not. since the marked part of the belt will not be in the same place in relation to the timing marks every time it goes around then it will establish whether the consistency is in relation to something on the engine or the belt itself. if it happens when the cam is in a certain position but not when the belt is then it would most likely be an engine problem. i vote for buying another belt, they have steel or nylon belts in them like a tire, if a few of them get broken or rolled over then only the rubber is holding the belt together at a certain point which allows it to stretch under tension.

[cthommes]

Originally Posted by 92snowmachine

one thing to try would be to put a mark on the belt and driver side cam pulley on the place where the belt runs out towards the front of the car. run the car and watch the marks if it consistently lines up the marks when the belt moves towards the end of the sprocket then it's the belt. if the marks don't line up when the belt moves then it's not. since the marked part of the belt will not be in the same place in relation to the timing marks every time it goes around then it will establish whether the consistency is in relation to something on the engine or the belt itself. if it happens when the cam is in a certain position but not when the belt is then it would most likely be an engine problem. i vote for buying another belt, they have steel or nylon belts in them like a tire, if a few of them get broken or rolled over then only the rubber is holding the belt together at a certain point which allows it to stretch under tension.

Right! This is what I was trying to get at. If you note in the first video he posted, I think this is already shown, as the existing part number markings on the belt provide this visual reference-- they are ALWAYS in the same spot when the belt runs out (or moves forward).

If it was a rotational component, the belt runout would happen at a different position on the belt with each rotation. But since the movement is at the same point on the belt (with respect to the belt markings) I think it must be the belt.

[Conn SVX]

Funny as this sounds I was listening to the rhythm it was always the same .components move at different speeds the belt is at the same speed .think of it as a bad link in a bicycle chain it would always clunk in the same spot even though the sprockets go around 4 or 5 times to a chain REV. Hence the clunk or in this case the drift is always the same..

[cthommes]

Originally Posted by Conn SVX

Funny as this sounds I was listening to the rhythm it was always the same .components move at different speeds the belt is at the same speed .think of it as a bad link in a bicycle chain it would always clunk in the same spot even though the sprockets go around 4 or 5 times to a chain REV. Hence the clunk or in this case the drift is always the same..

Yup. The rhythm of the noise correlates to the rotational speed of the belt. I.e. one "cronk!" per revolution of the belt. An untrue pulley would "cronk!" multiple times per belt revolution, as all pulleys rotate multiple times per belt revolution...

[kwren]

Originally Posted by Cam

Keith,

Most of the threads you post in have replies with concerns about tone, excessive sarcasm, or other issues with your attitude. Like a wise man once told me, "If people think your an asshole, then you are an asshole."

Just something to think about.

Thanks for the advice! I followed your advise to think about what you said, and after carefully evaluation, I have to agree. Who can challenge the wisdom of a wise man... certainly not me.

Like your "wise man" told you, if people think you are an asshole, then you are an asshole.

I totally agree with your assessment of your "wise man", and also agree with your assessment of yourself... OK? You are an asshole.

Keith

[Sean486]

Originally Posted by kwren

Thanks for the advice! I followed your advise to think about what you said, and after carefully evaluation, I have to agree. Who can challenge the wisdom of a wise man... certainly not me.

Like your "wise man" told you, if people think you are an asshole, then you are an asshole.

I totally agree with your assessment of your "wise man", and also agree with your assessment of yourself... OK? You are an asshole.

Keith

Now, now boys, play nice.

[icingdeath88]

Originally Posted by kwren

Thanks for the advice! I followed your advise to think about what you said, and after carefully evaluation, I have to agree. Who can challenge the wisdom of a wise man... certainly not me.

Like your "wise man" told you, if people think you are an asshole, then you are an asshole.

I totally agree with your assessment of your "wise man", and also agree with your assessment of yourself... OK? You are an asshole.

Way to handle criticism, man...

[kwren]

Originally Posted by icingdeath88

Way to handle criticism, man...

Thank you, icingdeath88
I have spent a lifetime trying to treat people nicer than they treat me. That has always been my passion but I did have some reservations about that one!

I have been running up and down the freeway ever since I posted it and have been feeling bad... wondering if I would be home in time to edit it.
Your reply is certainly encouraging so maybe my niceness record still remains intact. I certainly hope it will be accepted by everyone in the same spirit it was sent! Now my spirit has been lifted!

Thanks again for the nice post. I owe you one, man!

Take care,
Keith

[1986nate]

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[Huskymaniac]

Originally Posted by Cam

Keith,

Most of the threads you post in have replies with concerns about tone, excessive sarcasm, or other issues with your attitude.

Like a wise man once told me, "If people think your an asshole, then you are an asshole."

Just something to think about.

[SVXMAN2001]

I am relieved to say that after over two weeks and 105 posts, the problem has been solved!

The culprit being a defective timing belt. I picked up the new OEM belt from subaru earlier today. Upon inspection and comparison the new belt and previous belt (PCI) looked essentially the same. The markings on the new belt from Subaru however were much more helpful. There was a dotted line across the belt which related to alignment with the crankshaft sprocket and timing marks, whereas the other two marks were solid lines for the right and left bank camshaft sprockets. Simple and easy no guess work involved.

I did notice that there was more slack on the new belt as opposed to the old. This was confirmed when I removed the allen wrench from the hydraulic tensioner, the piston extended sigificantly more than with the previous belt. Perhaps I had the wrong belt all along...I'll never know I guess.

I know others have used PCI for the timing belt kit and have installed without any problems. But like any mass produced product I unfortunately came upon a defective unit in the bunch.

Thanks again for everyone's help, I am greatly apprectiative. Hopefully my misfortune and the responding posts will benefit others in the future.

http://youtu.be/rHGZzcjjF2I