ENOUGH of the We Are Under Attack Thread!

[n00b on demand]

Originally Posted by lhopp77

I seem to recall pictures of people dancing in the streets and celebrating throughout the Muslim world immediately after 9/11. I don't think those were demonstrations AGAINST such terrorist attacks on the USA. It appeared to be that they were in support of them.

Very few Mullahs (damned few) have condemned the attack or other attacks on Americans.

Lee

Pakistan condemned the attacks...and vowed to help the United States in any way possible...yet they are the ones that funded the taliban and supported them and took in many members of al qaeda....and they are also a strong ally of the United States....wait...huh..?

[DanSVX94]

I knew someone would go there, but I didn't realize how soon. He was also into scuba

[SubaSteevo]

Originally Posted by n00b on demand

\yet they are the ones that funded the taliban and supported them and took in many members of al qaeda....and they are also a strong ally of the United States....wait...huh..?

They are our friend cause they have teh nukes!!!111!!1

[lhopp77]

Originally Posted by n00b on demand

Pakistan condemned the attacks...and vowed to help the United States in any way possible...yet they are the ones that funded the taliban and supported them and took in many members of al qaeda....and they are also a strong ally of the United States....wait...huh..?

The Pakistani government IS helping in the war on terror. They have been intrumental in the capture of several key Al Qaeda leaders and other active terrorists. Besides they have provided intelligence that has resulted in capture of others throughout the world.

The reality is that the government is on very shakey ground in providing to much direct assistance. There is a very large populace of radical muslims that sympathize with Al Qaeda and help them in many ways. Yes, Al Qaeda members and probably even including OBL are hiding in the tribal areas bordering Afghanistan. Unfortunately, the government has at best only tenuous control of the area.

If you understand political realities---there is no confusion. Not an ideal situation, but still helpful to the US and other western nations.

Lee

[SilverSpear]

Originally Posted by lhopp77

I seem to recall pictures of people dancing in the streets and celebrating throughout the Muslim world immediately after 9/11. I don't think those were demonstrations AGAINST such terrorist attacks on the USA. It appeared to be that they were in support of them.

Very few Mullahs (damned few) have condemned the attack or other attacks on Americans.

Lee

Those are Al Quaeda supporters... of course they will celebrate, they are stupid. In their Qu'oran, such actions are forbidden... I say it again, ask any Muslims Sheikh about Jihad and he will tell you the same as I did.

Originally Posted by lhopp77

The Pakistani government IS helping in the war on terror. They have been intrumental in the capture of several key Al Qaeda leaders and other active terrorists. Besides they have provided intelligence that has resulted in capture of others throughout the world.

The reality is that the government is on very shakey ground in providing to much direct assistance. There is a very large populace of radical muslims that sympathize with Al Qaeda and help them in many ways. Yes, Al Qaeda members and probably even including OBL are hiding in the tribal areas bordering Afghanistan. Unfortunately, the government has at best only tenuous control of the area.

If you understand political realities---there is no confusion. Not an ideal situation, but still helpful to the US and other western nations.

Lee

We also did capture few cells related to both Al Quaeda and the Israelis working here. The Al Quaeda members were preparing a major attack in Lebanon, our government managed to catch around 30-40 of them.

As for the Israelis, it was a druze traitor who was an informant for them and the Police captured explosives and high tech static instruments in his apartment...

[sorceror]

Originally Posted by SilverSpear

Those are Al Quaeda supporters... of course they will celebrate, they are stupid. In their Qu'oran, such actions are forbidden... I say it again, ask any Muslims Sheikh about Jihad and he will tell you the same as I did.



We also did capture few cells related to both Al Quaeda and the Israelis working here. The Al Quaeda members were preparing a major attack in Lebanon, our government managed to catch around 30-40 of them.

As for the Israelis, it was a druze traitor who was an informant for them and the Police captured explosives and high tech static instruments in his apartment...

You still here?

[sorceror]

Everyone should really get a laugh out of this one.

I shows the damage to beirut and lebanon as the lebenese are reporting it.

Don't worry, b3lla, it is only a couple of minutes long ...


http://www.aish.com/movies/JP/PhotoFraud.asp


"Get it straight"

[Electrophil]

Originally Posted by sorceror

Everyone should really get a laugh out of this one.

I shows the damage to beirut and lebanon as the lebenese are reporting it.

Don't worry, b3lla, it is only a couple of minutes long ...


http://www.aish.com/movies/JP/PhotoFraud.asp


"Get it straight"

Excellent clip, and it's not the first I've seen of the staging. I saw one on the discovery channel, a 30 minute documentary of Palestine. They actually had ambulances standing by, and were caught on tape cueing the "victims", then cueing the Ambulances to drive up into camera view.

I seen one on... not making this up... I seen one on New Orleans after Katrina where they staged stuff.

Why stage stuff that isn't needed? Why ruin credibility? But they do it all the time. Personally I think it's all bad enough, that it isn't needed. Show the real, and that's bad enough in most cases.


I'm not a big literary type person, so I really enjoyed that Mark Twain quote for the first time in my life:

Quote:

"If you don't read the newspaper, you are uninformed..........

If you do read the newspaper, you are misinformed" ->Mark Twain

What a great quote!!

[RSVX]

Originally Posted by sorceror

Everyone should really get a laugh out of this one.

I shows the damage to beirut and lebanon as the lebenese are reporting it.

Don't worry, b3lla, it is only a couple of minutes long ...


http://www.aish.com/movies/JP/PhotoFraud.asp


"Get it straight"

Just... WoW.

[black beast]

I read through this entire thread and all I can say is let it be. The world is different, every culture has its own beliefs, and that is a wonderful thing. Trying to argue on beliefs is absurd, noone is going to give. Hitler thought he was the good guy remember that, noone every thinks of themselves as the bad guy, that is Hollywood, and damn them for pushing this "the bad guy knows he is bad" idea. No matter what anyone has done throughout history, it was done thinking they were doing good. So stop with the this terrorist that terrorist stuff, it is getting old. Danny, your country made a mistake, like everyone around the world. What noone seems to want to do is say, oops we botched it. I understand this is hard, for everyone. DanSVX94 you need to chill, the last four pages or so you have been better but God, you become very forceful, and that is not a good way to convey ideas, especially ones that are very tender to some.
Guys, this is a world network, and as that we have to act like adults, and place our issues at the door and come to problems in a manner that your children could look at and learn from.
It does not matter if this group was 99.99999% Americans, it is still called the World Network, that means any view from around the world is accepted. Please, please, do not act as only your view matters.
Chris

[Trevor]

SiverSpear, ---- Danny,

Can you throw any more light on the following information appearing today in our local news.

---- New Zealand cameraman Olaf Wiig and American television reporter Steve Centanni are being held in a refugee camp near Gaza City by members of a Fatah militia, Palestinian Authority security sources and Hamas activists have told The Jerusalem Post. ----

Thanks, Trevor.

[sorceror]

Originally Posted by Electrophil

Excellent clip, and it's not the first I've seen of the staging. I saw one on the discovery channel, a 30 minute documentary of Palestine. They actually had ambulances standing by, and were caught on tape cueing the "victims", then cueing the Ambulances to drive up into camera view.

I seen one on... not making this up... I seen one on New Orleans after Katrina where they staged stuff.

Why stage stuff that isn't needed? Why ruin credibility? But they do it all the time. Personally I think it's all bad enough, that it isn't needed. Show the real, and that's bad enough in most cases.


I'm not a big literary type person, so I really enjoyed that Mark Twain quote for the first time in my life:

Quote:

"If you don't read the newspaper, you are uninformed..........

If you do read the newspaper, you are misinformed" ->Mark Twain

What a great quote!!

I concur once again!

[Trevor]

Originally Posted by sorceror

I concur once again!

Then why are you are so upset with that which you should simply accept as being propaganda?

[benebob]

Originally Posted by sorceror

I concur once again!

You still here?

[lhopp77]

Originally Posted by Trevor

SiverSpear, ---- Danny,

Can you throw any more light on the following information appearing today in our local news.

---- New Zealand cameraman Olaf Wiig and American television reporter Steve Centanni are being held in a refugee camp near Gaza City by members of a Fatah militia, Palestinian Authority security sources and Hamas activists have told The Jerusalem Post. ----

Thanks, Trevor.

If you have read Danny's posts you will see that he knows little or nothing about Gaza and the Palestinians there. That is, of course, where the reporters were kidnapped.

If you read a little more you will see that Danny does not even like the Palestinians except as weak allies against Israel. Palestinian refugees have been a significant problem in his country both in terms of being economic drag as well as causing problems for Lebanon by launching attacks against Israel from Lebanon.

It is typical that even the Palestinian leadership has no control (or at least claims so) over the group that kidnapped the reporters. There are so many different radical Islamic factions that it is impossible to seriously negotiate with a central authority for a long term peaceful solution.

As pointed out in our press, the radicals are attacking the biggest ally in their cause. The worldwide press keeps their causes going. Without the publicity they receive from the press---their causes would die. I don't say this as an indictment against the press---just simply state a recognized reality.

Since this is true---I feel that the reporters will be returned unharmed.

Lee