Another attempt luckily thwarted

[lhopp77]

Originally Posted by SilverSpear

AHA!!! and if you go back to your history books, you will see that Japan did regret attacking Pearl Harbor directly after the attack "We were afraid that we woke up the GIANT"... I do remember those words from the Japanese captain of the carrier... so obviously they were pissing in their pants and the thing didn't need a nuke on their heads to prove your point...

You are demonstrating a severe lack of knowledge about WWII. Both as to the involvement of the USA in it and particularly the events leading up to the possible invasion of the Japanese mainland. You seem to have no idea of the tenacity and even suicidal defensive tactics of the Japanese military on the island stepping stones leading to Japan proper. "They were hardly pissing in their pants".

You need to do a little research and you will see that battle damage and casualty assessments indicated that many many more people would be killed and more total distruction result from a ground invasion. The casualties would have been on both sides. The bomb was totally less costly in terms of lives and infinitely less costly to US lives.

As an interesting sidelight---a little research will also reveal that more people died from allied forces fire bombing cities (European and Japanese) than by the A-bombs. It was the huge psychological impact of the A-bombs that caused Japan to surrender----not the casualties. That many would have died from fire bombing.

Lee

[mohrds]

Stop the personal insults and attacks.

Read the rules about posting. Here's a link:
http://www.subaru-svx.net/photos/files/How-To/15892.doc

Thank you.

Doug

[DanSVX94]

Doug,

I think Danny has kept this going way too long. Everyone who tries to communicate with him gives up. I think the moderators should delete this whole topic and related threads. This stuff doesn't belong on this site. You can't blame people for arguing with Danny when he behaves like this.

[Earthworm]

Originally Posted by mohrds

Stop the personal insults and attacks.

Read the rules about posting. Here's a link:
http://www.subaru-svx.net/photos/files/How-To/15892.doc

Thank you.

Doug

Thanks Doug. I was just about to PM you about these threads.

[mohrds]

Originally Posted by DanSVX94

Doug,

I think Danny has kept this going way too long. Everyone who tries to communicate with him gives up. I think the moderators should delete this whole topic and related threads. This stuff doesn't belong on this site. You can't blame people for arguing with Danny when he behaves like this.

It takes two to argue...

[sorceror]

Originally Posted by mohrds

It takes two to argue...

I agree mohrds. It does take two. One troublemaker and the person that refuses to back down when the troublemaker continues to want to fight.

Kind of like what Israel did to the terrorist regime of the Lebanese.

I agree with Dan Lock all the threads and or remove them. Danny is becoming rather tasteless.

Japan at pearl harbor bombed everyone. They flew low over the island and dropped bombs and fired their machine guns at anything that moved. Mostly specifically civillians who had no bomb shelters to run to.

So Danny suggests maybe we should have invited them over and show them what we can do. Preposterous. As was said during that war everyone did it to everyone. Look at thehistory of the decimated cities throughout the world caused by Germany and Japan.

We were not at war with them and didn't even know they were coming.

[Electrophil]

After careful consideration, I have decided that this thread also sux.

[sorceror]

Originally Posted by Electrophil

After careful consideration, I have decided that this thread also sux.

I concur.

[DanSVX94]

Originally Posted by mohrds

It takes two to argue...

Of course I agree it does take two.

But this isn't like arguing over whether one set of tires is better on your SVX, or anything even remotely close.

Here you have someone coming on this site and making racist and pro-terrorist remarks and worse.

Why is Danny hitting us on the head with the same stuff over and over and over?

Why do we have hundreds of pages of this crap here? Why?

Are members of this site, who live in the US supposed to let this propaganda go on and on? And how about the Jewish members of this site? Or the members of this site in the armed forces or with family in the armed forces, let alone people with friends or family who died in 9/11? How offensive is Danny's crap to them?

I don't think any of these threads have done anything to improve the site or the community.

Here's the bottom line:

I'm glad Danny and his SVX are safe. It's terrible that all this ever happened.

Now lets get back to having the fun web site that we had in June.

[b3lha]

Originally Posted by lhopp77

Actually there was no need for him to read it---he would either not understand it or purposefully misinterpret it.
Lee

Thank you for your confidence in me Lee. I honestly and sincerely respect your intelligently formed opinions even if I don't always agree with them.

The article submitted is indeed well written and appears to have been designed to stimulate debate and discussion in a public forum. As such it contains deliberately flawed arguments and deliberately flakey conclusions. If the arguments and conclusions were solid then there would be nothing to debate. The article is also blatently Islamophobic and Sorcerors suggestion that I should pass it to my muslim friends is contemptable.

I am sure that most of us here have muslim friends and we know that the vast majority of muslims are not fanatical extremists hell bent on the destruction of all non-believers. Nonetheless, the article argues that people should be pressing for the irradication of islam. In other words, "the destruction of all believers". Isn't that exactly the sort of fanatical extremism that the author is trying to argue against?

The most startling assertation is that the people who quite rightly refuse to allow the christian religion to control american politics will allow the muslim religion to control american politics.

So that's what I think of the article, but it's probably just because I didn't understand it or I deliberately misinterpreted it. Now I think I'll print it out, cut it into squares and keep it by the toilet for later.

This thread sux.

[sorceror]

Originally Posted by b3lha

Thank you for your confidence in me Lee. I honestly and sincerely respect your intelligently formed opinions even if I don't always agree with them.

The article submitted is indeed well written and appears to have been designed to stimulate debate and discussion in a public forum. As such it contains deliberately flawed arguments and deliberately flakey conclusions. If the arguments and conclusions were solid then there would be nothing to debate. The article is also blatently Islamophobic and Sorcerors suggestion that I should pass it to my muslim friends is contemptable.

I am sure that most of us here have muslim friends and we know that the vast majority of muslims are not fanatical extremists hell bent on the destruction of all non-believers. Nonetheless, the article argues that people should be pressing for the irradication of islam. In other words, "the destruction of all believers". Isn't that exactly the sort of fanatical extremism that the author is trying to argue against?

The most startling assertation is that the people who quite rightly refuse to allow the christian religion to control american politics will allow the muslim religion to control american politics.

So that's what I think of the article, but it's probably just because I didn't understand it or I deliberately misinterpreted it. Now I think I'll print it out, cut it into squares and keep it by the toilet for later.

This thread sux.

Let me say this ... This thread sux.

Now that being said ... If you would like I can attach a link to an interview from 3 EX terrorists for Islam. They are all here in America seeking safe harbor. It is very enlightening but rather lengthy. Between 15 and 20 minutes. Since it took you 2 full days to read and comment on a short read you may not want me to even bother.

They claim 67% of - as you call them - "peaceful Muslims' are happy 911 happened and support Al Qaeda. They danced in the street and dance in the street every time a successful attack in any other country is carried out. These are not peaceful people, they rejoice in the killing, tortures and butchery of innocents. These are people with no peace in their hearts.

The author of the article was pointing out how ridiculous it is to make Religion the state and the state religion. Why? Because then only one religion can rule. Muslims hate Muslims now for just slight variances in doctrine hence you will always have war if the state is religion and religion is the state. Look at the Taliban ... Just another bunch of thugs who took over and set their religion as the state and their state as the religion.

Please go rent or download the movie ... The planet of the apes in fact watch the first three of them. They are a perfect example of a theocracy in action. From all sides. Heck in the third there is actually those who worship the bomb! The leaders know the truth but bury it from the people they rule to deliberatley keep them in the dark.

Go ahead and print out the article I posted, cut it up and wipe your mouth with it. Maybe some of its contents will come blaring through.

[SilverSpear]

Originally Posted by lhopp77

You are demonstrating a severe lack of knowledge about WWII. Both as to the involvement of the USA in it and particularly the events leading up to the possible invasion of the Japanese mainland. You seem to have no idea of the tenacity and even suicidal defensive tactics of the Japanese military on the island stepping stones leading to Japan proper. "They were hardly pissing in their pants".

You need to do a little research and you will see that battle damage and casualty assessments indicated that many many more people would be killed and more total distruction result from a ground invasion. The casualties would have been on both sides. The bomb was totally less costly in terms of lives and infinitely less costly to US lives.

As an interesting sidelight---a little research will also reveal that more people died from allied forces fire bombing cities (European and Japanese) than by the A-bombs. It was the huge psychological impact of the A-bombs that caused Japan to surrender----not the casualties. That many would have died from fire bombing.

Lee

Oh God, I am going to play with Doug's rules from now on... but there was something that made me laugh the most:

"It was the huge psychological impact of the A-bombs that caused Japan to surrender----not the casualties."

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL, are you serious about that statement??? because sure you are contradicting your ally Chris:

Originally Posted by RSVX

And the world did know of our test firings of the bomb... they just didnt expect us to use it.

Tragic, yes... but effective? YES.

Did Japan really surrender from a "psychological" point of view???

[SilverSpear]

Ok This thread is over for me too, it became an obsession...

I have my point of view and you have yours... I cannot convince you and neither you can convince me...

[b3lha]

Originally Posted by sorceror

Let me say this ... This thread sux.

Now that being said ... If you would like I can attach a link to an interview from 3 EX terrorists for Islam. They are all here in America seeking safe harbor. It is very enlightening but rather lengthy. Between 15 and 20 minutes. Since it took you 2 full days to read and comment on a short read you may not want me to even bother.

They claim 67% of - as you call them - "peaceful Muslims' are happy 911 happened and support Al Qaeda. They danced in the street and dance in the street every time a successful attack in any other country is carried out. These are not peaceful people, they rejoice in the killing, tortures and butchery of innocents. These are people with no peace in their hearts.

The author of the article was pointing out how ridiculous it is to make Religion the state and the state religion. Why? Because then only one religion can rule. Muslims hate Muslims now for just slight variances in doctrine hence you will always have war if the state is religion and religion is the state. Look at the Taliban ... Just another bunch of thugs who took over and set their religion as the state and their state as the religion.

Please go rent or download the movie ... The planet of the apes in fact watch the first three of them. They are a perfect example of a theocracy in action. From all sides. Heck in the third there is actually those who worship the bomb! The leaders know the truth but bury it from the people they rule to deliberatley keep them in the dark.

Go ahead and print out the article I posted, cut it up and wipe your mouth with it. Maybe some of its contents will come blaring through.

It only took me one day to write a considered response to the racist (ethnicist?) material you posted. I beg your forgiveness for being in a different time zone to you and having a day job and a life outside this forum.

I'm sure that Al-Qaeda members like to believe that 67% of muslims support them. Funny thing is, when you meet muslim people and talk to them, they are just as outraged by the terrorism as everyone else. I'm guessing that you probably don't have any muslim friends. You should probably try and make some so that you can better understand the people you wish to see irradicated. Believe me, your views are far more fanatical and extremist than those of any of the muslims I've ever met.

I too have had enough of this forum now. It was fun at first, but it's no longer possible to have a reasonable debate here.

[sorceror]

Originally Posted by b3lha

It only took me one day to write a considered response to the racist (ethnicist?) material you posted. I beg your forgiveness for being in a different time zone to you and having a day job and a life outside this forum.

I'm sure that Al-Qaeda members like to believe that 67% of muslims support them. Funny thing is, when you meet muslim people and talk to them, they are just as outraged by the terrorism as everyone else. I'm guessing that you probably don't have any muslim friends. You should probably try and make some so that you can better understand the people you wish to see irradicated. Believe me, your views are far more fanatical and extremist than those of any of the muslims I've ever met.

I too have had enough of this forum now. It was fun at first, but it's no longer possible to have a reasonable debate here.

I saw you posted a reply to the editorial that you thought to be humorous. Then 2 days later you posted an actual reply after being challenged to read it.

I do know some Muslims as I do know many people of many religious doctrines. Some friends and some co-workers. What a pathetic statement on your part.

My ideas for peace and tolerance for all peoples' beliefs are fanatical and extremist to you? My beliefs that are completely against murder, terrorism and torture by fanatics you find to be fanatical and extremist?

I guess I am just going to have to consider the source. You are obviously another supporter of the muders, tortures, racism and religious oppression of your heros the fanatical, maniacal, diabolical extremist Muslims.