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Water Power
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hummm the only problem with that is where is the energy coming from to convert the water in to HHO gas to run in the car? the engine?
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Either the engine is a traditional natural gas with pre-converted HHO gas in the tank or they put their special electrolysis machine in the trunk attached to a water tank with the HHO being fed straight to the engine.
However, 100 miles on 4 ounces I would figure a compound like that would burn a whole lot faster unless it is being injected into the engine in really slow intervals. I wonder if they evered dynoed it or released the results on what its hp rating and lbs of torque it exerts? And another thing, I wonder how this technology would impact humanity as well as the entire enviroment in the distant future if used on a large scale? Last edited by Weebitob; 05-14-2006 at 06:58 PM. |
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I really want to believe this. But it just falls too close to that too good to be true category. Where is the conversion process? How much electricity does this technology use?
Please be a reliable source of energy, and the ability to use tap water.
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Last edited by Weebitob; 05-14-2006 at 09:53 PM. |
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The biggest thing I got from that article, (besides the pop ups. ) is in the last 3 paragraphs. Only 5 countries have plants that produce heavy water, some of those have closed down, and the most popular way of producing it is similar to the way brandy is distilled from wine.
Sounds like it would be extremely expensive, and the article also says it is a "controlled" product, so the availability to us common folks isn't going to happen without the re-emergence of a Waco scenario. (Behold! I have 3 underaged wives and a quart of heavy water. I summon thee to carpool in my hybrid! ) Informative! It also makes me think about all those camping brochures that says to boil water excessively before drinking.
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Robert Is Bush in jail yet? (Looks frantically at watch, then back up) How about now? Now? Come onnnnnn...... Someone freeze me until January, this wait is killing me. Update: 09 January, and still not in jail! Wassup?? 1992 Teal LS-L - 160k (Now new and improved with perfect paint!) |
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another thing is hasent HHO all ready been proven impratical?
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I am not a chemist, but I don't see any advantage in using heavy water for this application. A given mass of heavy water would contain less hydrogen atoms than the same mass of ordinary water.
Regarding water as a fuel, it is undoubtedly the best way to go, but there are two problems: Firstly, separating the hydrogen and oxygen requires a lot of energy - more energy than you will get back from burning it (due to less than 100% efficiency). This is why car manufacturers are researching fuel cells which use the water more efficiently than combustion engines. Secondly, the economic reason. Any companies that develop this technology will ensure that you will never be able to fill up your car up from your garden hose. If and when water powered cars are available, they will make sure that you have to buy special water at premium prices. 100 miles in 4 ounces doesn't sound right. According to a search, Hydrogen contains 2.8 times as much energy as gasoline. But water is only 11.2% hydrogen by mass. So 4 ounces of water is at best equivalent to 1.25 ounces of gasoline.
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