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Old 09-03-2010, 08:50 AM
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Re: how bad are some of those leading our country ?

A little something to consider for you Obama supporters!!!

This is very disturbing!!!! .
Chrysler's Railroad

This could be a scandal of epic proportions and one that makes Nixon's Watergate or Clinton 's Monica Lewinsky affair pale by comparison. Why did it appear there neither rhyme nor reason as to which dealerships of the Chrysler Corporation were to be closed?

Roll the clock back to the weeks just before Chrysler declared bankruptcy. Chrysler, like GM, was in dire financial straits and federal government "graciously" offered to "buy the company" and keep them out of bankruptcy and "save jobs." Chrysler was, in the words of Obama and his administration, "Too big to fail," same story with GM.

The feds organized their "Automotive Task Force" to fix Chrysler and GM. Obama, in an act that is 100% unconstitutional, appointed a guy named Steve Rattner

to be the White House's official Car Czar - literally, that's what his title is. Rattner is the liaison among Obama, Chrysler, and GM.

Initially, the national media reported that Chrysler 'had made this list of dealerships.'

Not true!

The Washington Examiner, Newsmax, Fox New and a host of other news agencies discovered that the list of dealerships was put together by the "Automotive Task Force" headed by no one other than Mr. Steve Rattner.

Now the plot thickens.

Remember earlier we said that there was neither rhyme nor reason why certain dealerships were closed?

Actually there's a very interesting pattern as to who was closed down. Again, on May 27, 2009, The Washington Examiner and Newsmax exposed the connection. Amazingly, of the 789 dealerships closed by the federal government, 788 had donated money, exclusively to Republican political causes, while contributing nothing to Democratic political causes. The only "Democratic" dealership on the list was found to have donated $7,700 to Hillary's campaign, and a bit over $2,000 to John Edwards. This same dealership, reportedly, also gave $200.00 to Obama's campaign.

Does that seem a little odd to you?

Steve Rattner is the guy who put the list together. Well, he happens to be married to a Maureen White.
Maureen happens to be the former national finance chairman of the Democratic National Committee. As such, she has access to campaign donation records from everyone in the nation- Republican or Democrat. But of course, this is just a wacky "coincidence," we're certain.
Then comes another really wacky "coincidence."
On that list of dealerships being closed down, a weird thing happened in Arkansas , North Louisiana and Southern Missouri. It seems that Bill Clinton's former White House Chief of Staff, Mack McClarty, owns a chain of dealerships in that region, partnered with a fellow by the name of Robert Johnson.
Johnson happens to be founder of Black Entertainment Television and was a huge Obama supporter and financier.
These guys own a half dozen Chrysler stores under the company title of RLJ-McClarty-Landers. Interestingly, none of their dealerships were ordered closed - not one!
While all of their competing Chrysler/Dodge and Jeep dealership were!
Eight dealerships located near the dealerships owned by McClarty and Johnson were ordered shut down.
Thus by pure luck, these two major Obama supporters now have virtual monopoly on Chrysler sales in their zone. Isn't that amazing?
Go look in The Washington Examiner, the story's there, and it's in a dozen or so other web-based news organizations; this isn't being made up.
Now if you thought Chrysler was owned by Fiat, you are mistaken. Under the federal court ruling, 65% of Chrysler is now owned by the federal government and the United Auto Workers union!
Fiat owns 20%.
The other 15% is still privately owned and presumably will be traded on the stock market. Obama smiles and says he doesn't want to run the auto industry.
As horrifying as this is to comprehend, and being as how this used to be the
United States of America , it would appear that the president has the power to destroy private businesses and eliminate upwards of 100,000 jobs just because they don't agree with his political agenda.
This is Nazi Germany stuff, and it's happening right here, right now, in our back yard.
There are voices in Washington demanding an explanation, but the "Automotive Task Force" has released no information to the public or to any of the senators demanding answers for what has been done.
Keep your ear to the ground for more on this story. If you've ever wanted to make a difference about anything in your life, get on the phone to your national senator or representative in the House and demand an investigation into this.
Benjamin Franklin had it right when he said, "All that's necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing."
Car Czar No More
An amazing thing happened as this story was going to press. Obama's Car Czar, Steve Rattner, resigned on July 13 and was promptly replaced by former steel workers union boss Ron Bloom.
According to CBS News, Rattner left "to return to private life and
spend time with his family."
Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner said, "I hope that he takes another opportunity to bring his unique skills to government service in the future."
By the way, Rattner is under investigation for a multi-million dollar pay-to-play investment bank scandal in New York ....
Uh-oh!
But, we're certain that had nothing to do with his resignation.
And, according to several news sources out there, there are rumors he's being investigated for what could be pay-to-play scandal involving the closing of Chrysler and GM dealerships. Really? Again, that couldn't have anything to with his resignation -- that's ridiculous! Like CBS said, this guy just
wants to "spend more quality time with his family."
Obama has 32 personally appointed "czars" who answer to no one but him, all of whom are acting without any Constitutional authority.
But hey, we're sure they all have "unique skills,"......as Tim Geithner likes to say!
SOOOOO. HOW'S THE HOPE/CHANGE WORKING FOR YOU?..
Check it out at the following websites.....
http://gatewaypundit.blogspot..com/2...-chrysler.html
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/po...-44414452.html -
This goes beyond corruption in high places - to gross criminal actions on the part of our government!
I hope you will spread this far and wide, and hopefully the taxpaying public will demand some of that transparency we were
promised ... followed by criminal prosecution of the perpetrators!
What a crooked government we have!!!!!


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does her really still have supporters ?
or people just not ready to say they F"ed up...

From:
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So far the Democrat majority orgs have spent $19,144,762.


The Republicans majority orgs have spent $15,657,187.


(These are PACS)


Since the democrats generally have more registered voters, conservative liberty loving people need to try and even the odds. At least get the msg out.


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Too many people just believed blindly as badly as Obama believed he could do ****. That's the saddest part is that Obama really thinks and thought he could fix it. Just like that.
obama has never being about "fixing it".
for a couple of reasons, transferring the wealth has always been his agenda.

One is his voting base compiled mostly of the half of America that take rather than paying any income tax. Strangely, half of America thinks the income tax is fair. Could that possible be the 50% that never pay any income tax??

The other is his hatred for the successful Americans that by their efforts have brought them a measure of success.

He simply doesn't think they deserve it!

New to the political form but encouraged by the SVX folks that are not a part of the obama "praise and worship" crowd.

Like the rest of America, I suspect that the SVX form ones that were fooled by the "con man" have now discovered the "Scam"!

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So we just passed a Health Care Law in order to know what is in it; written by a committee whose chairman says he didnít understand it; passed by a congress that didnít read it and exempts themselves from it; Signed by a hypocritical-president who is a smoker; from funding administered by a treasury chief who didnít pay his taxes; all to be overseen by a sergeon general who by military standards is obese; all to be financed by a country that is broke.


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Old 09-08-2010, 05:37 PM
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Ordinary people throughout the rest of the world were thrilled that with the election of Obama, democracy had been so absolutely demonstrated in an historic and tangible way. You should be increasing still further your status in the eyes of the world, by utilising the advantage of having such a significant personage as a front man.

As we on the outside understand it, you do not have any form of a dictatorship. Surely there are no grounds whereby the president should be made a solitary scapegoat. Or does he alone run the USA ?
Trevor could never keep his mouth shut about any subject. As usual, he had no clue about the USA as well as every other subject.

Good riddance!

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Trevor could never keep his mouth shut about any subject. As usual, he had no clue about the USA as well as every other subject.

Good riddance!

Keith
Keith...stop. There are most likely more people here than you realize that feel the same way about you but don't complain about it because it is petty. (get the hint?)
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I've got a bit of time to kill here at work, so I'll jump back into the fray.

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A little something to consider for you Obama supporters!!!

This is very disturbing!!!! .
Chrysler's Railroad

This could be a scandal of epic proportions and one that makes Nixon's Watergate or Clinton 's Monica Lewinsky affair pale by comparison. Why did it appear there neither rhyme nor reason as to which dealerships of the Chrysler Corporation were to be closed?
Worse than stacking the JUSTICE DEPARTMENT full of supporters to justify TORTURE?

Rewarding your supporters with continued employment is just one facet of this totally screwy political system, but no different than what any other politician does every day. Bad? Yes. Scandal of epic proportions? Meh.

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Ordinary people throughout the rest of the world were thrilled that with the election of Obama, democracy had been so absolutely demonstrated in an historic and tangible way. You should be increasing still further your status in the eyes of the world, by utilising the advantage of having such a significant personage as a front man.

As we on the outside understand it, you do not have any form of a dictatorship. Surely there are no grounds whereby the president should be made a solitary scapegoat. Or does he alone run the USA ?
He did win the popular vote (in an election that wasn't rigged by his brother). After eight years of catastrophic foreign policy I'm glad to see that not the entire world has written off the American model of demockery, even if many in the US like myself have.

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obama has never being about "fixing it".
for a couple of reasons, transferring the wealth has always been his agenda.

One is his voting base compiled mostly of the half of America that take rather than paying any income tax. Strangely, half of America thinks the income tax is fair. Could that possible be the 50% that never pay any income tax??

The other is his hatred for the successful Americans that by their efforts have brought them a measure of success.

He simply doesn't think they deserve it!

New to the political form but encouraged by the SVX folks that are not a part of the obama "praise and worship" crowd.

Like the rest of America, I suspect that the SVX form ones that were fooled by the "con man" have now discovered the "Scam"!

Keith
On the contrary, I think Obama's enigmatic idealism is his downfall. Many people before the election were viewing him as the next coming, and it is certainly disheartening to realize that our political system is so totally broken that nobody has the power to "change" things.

As of 2001 %1 of the population 38% of the wealth, while the bottom 40% only accounts for 1% of the wealth (source). If that isn't reason enough for a redistribution of wealth than what is? I don't want to live in a feudal state, and with the way things are going it's only getting worse. The housing crisis has made land ownership exclusive to the aristocratic ruling class who, contrary to your post, was born into this position while the rest of us serfs are beholden to them for generations to come. I'd love to own a house and some land someday, but banks won't lend money and people are homeless while entire neighborhoods are going to seed. Redistribution of wealth (through banking regulation, income taxes, and a livable minimum wage, not welfare) would put the homeless people into the empty houses and everybody wins with the exception of the 1 percenters, and they DON"T deserve it. Skim a little off the top of the CEO pay, and banker's bonuses and give it to the people who work for a living and you'll get a country where everybody has a chance to make something of themselves, not just those who're born into money.
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Wow, ever hear of moveon.org?
it was started when clintons scandals were brought to light, why dont you take your own advice on this "rigged" election?
Im not talking directly to you I just get so tired of this.
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not a joke, Obamas new tax


http://www.standard.net/node/44797



Don't forget the original income tax started at 1% too. Now how much do you pay?


Don't forget, Social Security started at 2%... now how much do you pay? (And you can expect that to go up since expenses are about to exceed income for those programs next year.)


You pay 6-8% sales tax on everything you spend with what is left.


Check your phone, cable, gas, electric bills and you'll see more taxes, 5-25% on everyone of them.


How about your property tax?


Vehicles?


Oh yea, don't forget, if your employer pays your health insurance, YOU will be paying the taxes on it as if it was salary starting in 4 months. Check your tax bracket. That might bump you up to the next one.


Don't forget, only about 53% of the people actually pay taxes, the othe 47% don't pay, or get theirs back.


Don't forget about 17% of the country totally lives on the government dole at taxpayers expense.
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He did win the popular vote (in an election that wasn't rigged by his brother).
He didn't need any siblings, he had something better... The criminals that run ACORN.
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He didn't need any siblings, he had something better... The criminals that run ACORN.
ugh ACORN....
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He didn't need any siblings, he had something better... The criminals that run ACORN.
OK, I shouldn't have taken that pot shot at the 2000 elections. Done is done, and you won't hear me claim that any election since has been any less corrupt than that one. The fact is the presidency is something that is sold to the highest bidder. Whoever spends the most, wins the race. Here's your evidence:

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does her really still have supporters ?
or people just not ready to say they F"ed up...

From:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv...ttee_list.html


So far the Democrat majority orgs have spent $19,144,762.


The Republicans majority orgs have spent $15,657,187.


(These are PACS)


Since the democrats generally have more registered voters, conservative liberty loving people need to try and even the odds. At least get the msg out.


If you are getting this msg and have not donated in a big way to one of the orgs on this group (like http://www.americansfornewleadership.com/ and http://www.ourcountrydeservesbetter.com/tv-ads/) I encourage you to do so. There is no limit to what you can donate to PACS.
I firmly believe we need to outlaw these PACS (including the financially insignificant MoveOn.org) and all private or corporate campaign contributions. That's over $34,000,000 spent to ensure that the political system is protected from any outsiders that challenge the status quo. Give each candidate a stipend to get their message across, and let the election be based on the persuasiveness of their argument, not the pervasiveness of it. Here's a link to all of the PAC contributions during the 2008 election Opensecrets.org. There's a scary amount of money being spent here in a political arms race (if they're running 15 commercials during the nightly news then we need to run 20).

As for my last paragraph, let me expand my argument. I'm no Obama apologist, in fact I have trouble seeing any fundamental change in economic policy since Reganomics began this horrible disparity in income (it still hasn't trickled down). Eisenhower, a Republican for those who don't remember, had some pretty good ideas about how to maintain economic mobility (moving up) and prevent stratification (rich getting richer, poor getting poorer). The Eisenhower Tax Plan placed a %91 income and capital gains tax on the wealthiest %1 of the population and used that to feed the hungry and heal the sick. Find me a Republican or Democrat who would back this type of plan. Oh, wait you can't, because as long as their next election is dependent on contributions from the 1 percenters they are just as beholden to the aristocracy as the rest of us.

I've said it before on here. These two parties are exactly the same. They have us focus on the minutiae of matters, that they honestly shouldn't even be involved in, to keep the people from noticing that they're all the same. Let's stop considering candidates as "the lesser of two evils" and start giving those who'll actually buck the system a chance to make things right.
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OK, I shouldn't have taken that pot shot at the 2000 elections. Done is done, and you won't hear me claim that any election since has been any less corrupt than that one. The fact is the presidency is something that is sold to the highest bidder. Whoever spends the most, wins the race. Here's your evidence:



I firmly believe we need to outlaw these PACS (including the financially insignificant MoveOn.org) and all private or corporate campaign contributions. That's over $34,000,000 spent to ensure that the political system is protected from any outsiders that challenge the status quo. Give each candidate a stipend to get their message across, and let the election be based on the persuasiveness of their argument, not the pervasiveness of it. Here's a link to all of the PAC contributions during the 2008 election Opensecrets.org. There's a scary amount of money being spent here in a political arms race (if they're running 15 commercials during the nightly news then we need to run 20).

As for my last paragraph, let me expand my argument. I'm no Obama apologist, in fact I have trouble seeing any fundamental change in economic policy since Reganomics began this horrible disparity in income (it still hasn't trickled down). Eisenhower, a Republican for those who don't remember, had some pretty good ideas about how to maintain economic mobility (moving up) and prevent stratification (rich getting richer, poor getting poorer). Eisenhower Tax Plan Institute a %91 income and capital gains tax on the wealthiest %1 of the population and use that to feed the hungry and heal the sick. Find me a Republican or Democrat who would back this type of plan. Oh, wait you can't, because as long as their next election is dependent on contributions from the 1 percenters they are just as beholden to the aristocracy as the rest of us.

I've said it before on here. These two parties are exactly the same. They have us focus on the minutiae of matters that they honestly shouldn't even be involved in to keep the people from noticing that they're all the same. Let's stop considering candidates as "the lesser of two evils" and start giving those who'll actually buck the system a chance to make things right.
Now that is something I can agree on.
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Now if only Jane and John D'oh! could actually determine who is capable of leading a country.
So many voters are uneducated nitwits.
So true.

Here's a thought. Since the popular opinion these days is that those who can't afford food or healthcare are a bunch of freeloaders, let's take the 1 percenter's money and turn it into a public school system that doesn't just churn out more uneducated nitwits.

Just a thought.
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