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how bad are some of those leading our country ?

Murtha, one guy who has been in office way too long
and should of been out many years ago

watch for yourself they way he runs things in office and
his ethics

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Re: how bad are some of those leading our country ?

Perhaps this (and the other thread for that matter) should be in the political forum. If this thread isn't about politics, I don't know what is!

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Re: how bad are some of those leading our country ?

I will move it. It is sad to see how some politicians make a mockery of the democatic process. Politician and career should never be together. Term limits must be put in place.
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Re: how bad are some of those leading our country ?

Remember Lee Iacocca, the man who rescued Chrysler Corporation from its death throes? He's now 82 years old and has a new book, 'Where Have All The Leaders Gone?'.

Lee Iacocca Says:

'Am I the only guy in this country who's fed up with what's happening? Where the hell is our outrage with this so called president? We should be screaming bloody murder! We've got a gang of tax cheating clueless leftists trying to steer our ship of state right over a cliff, we've got corporate gangsters stealing us blind, and we can't even run a ridiculous cash-for-clunkers program without losing $26 billion of the taxpayers' money, much less build a hybrid car. But instead of getting mad, everyone sits around and nods their heads when the politicians say, 'trust me the economy is getting better..'

Better? You've got to be kidding. This is America , not the damned, 'Titanic'. I'll give you a sound bite: 'Throw all the Democrats out along with Obama!'

You might think I'm getting senile, that I've gone off my rocker, and maybe I have. But someone has to speak up. I hardly recognize this country anymore..

The most famous business leaders are not the innovators but the guys in handcuffs.. While we're fiddling in Afghanistan , Iran is completing their nuclear bombs and missiles and nobody seems to know what to do. And the liberal press is waving 'pom-poms' instead of asking hard questions. That's not the promise of the ' America ' my parents and yours traveled across the ocean for. I've had enough. How about you?

I'll go a step further. You can't call yourself a patriot if you're not outraged. This is a fight I'm ready and willing to have. The Biggest 'C' is Crisis! (Iacocca elaborates on nine C's of leadership, with crisis being the first.)

Leaders are made, not born. Leadership is forged in times of crisis. It's easy to sit there with thumb up your butt and talk theory. Or send someone else's kids off to war when you've never seen a battlefield yourself. It's another thing to lead when your world comes tumbling down.

On September 11, 2001, we needed a strong leader more than any other time in our history. We needed a steady hand to guide us out of the ashes. A hell of a mess, so here's where we stand.

We're immersed in a bloody war now with no plan for winning and no plan for leaving. But our soldiers are dying daily.

We're running the biggest deficit in the history of the world, and it's getting worse every day!

We've lost the manufacturing edge to Asia , while our once-great companies are getting slaughtered by health care costs.

Gas prices are going to skyrock again, and nobody in power has a lucid plan to open drilling to solve the problem. This country has the largest oil reserves in the WORLD, and we cannot drill for it because the politicians have been bought by the flea-hugging environmentalists.
Our schools are in a complete disaster because of the teachers union.

Our borders are like sieves and they want to give all illegals amnesty and free healthcare.

The middle class is being squeezed to death every day.

These are times that cry out for leadership.

But when you look around, you've got to ask: 'Where have all the leaders gone?' Where are the curious, creative communicators? Where are the people of character, courage, conviction, omnipotence, and common sense? I may be a sucker for alliteration, but I think you get the point.

Name me a leader who has a better idea for homeland security than making us take off our shoes in airports and throw away our shampoo?

We've spent billions of dollars building a huge new bureaucracy, and all we know how to do is react to things that have already happened.

Everyone's hunkering down, fingers crossed, hoping the government will make it better for them. Now, that's just crazy.. Deal with life.

Name me an industry leader who is thinking creatively about how we can restore our competitive edge in manufacturing. Who would have believed that there could ever be a time when 'The Big Three' referred to Japanese car companies? How did this happen, and more important, look what Obama did about it!
Name me a government leader who can articulate a plan for paying down the debit, or solving theenergy crisis, or managing the health care problem. The silence is deafening. But these are the crises that are eating away at our country and milking the middle class dry.

I have news for the Chicago gangsters in Congress. We didn't elect you to turn this country into a losing European Socialist state. What is everybody so afraid of? That some bonehead on NBC or CNN news will call them a name? Give me a break. Why don't you guys show some spine for a change?

Had Enough? Hey, I'm not trying to be the voice of gloom and doom here. I'm trying to light a fire. I'm speaking out because I have hope - I believe in America . In my lifetime, I've had the privilege of living through some of America 's greatest moments. I've also experienced some of our worst crises: The 'Great Depression,' 'World War II,' the 'Korean War,' the 'Kennedy Assassination,' the 'Vietnam War,' the 1970's oil crisis, and the struggles of recent years since 9/11.

Make your own contribution by sending this to everyone you know and care about. It's our country, folks, and it's our future. Our future is at stake!!
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Re: how bad are some of those leading our country ?

The above "quotations" from Lee Iacocoa's book are rife with wholesale edits and deletions. I remember reading these passages some years ago, long before one George Bush left office.

This sort of manipulation is truly pathetic. And what's worse, people fall for it.

Please read the correct excerpts here:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/iacocca.asp

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Actually it really doesn't matter whether he said it or not. Whoever did is pretty much dead on with most things.

Guess you can say I authored it.

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And just to enlighten some people who have been closed to thinking about what the rest of the world thinks of your leader...



People refuse to shake his hand even as a gesture. Lets think about what they are going to do when we have to ask for help?? Because if Obama is not thrown out within the next year, we will be begging the rest of the world for help running our country out of the crusher

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People refuse to shake his hand even as a gesture.
That's hardly the truth:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/snubbed.asp

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Prior to the meeting of the two sides glimpsed at the very end of the clip, President Obama and Russian president Dmitri Medvedev each introduced their country's representatives to the other: President Obama met and shook hands with the Russian delegation, and then President Medvedev met and shook hands with the U.S. delegation - but only a brief portion of the latter is included in the clip displayed above, a portion in which President Obama is shown making directional hand gestures as he introduces President Medvedev to American officials (the last of whom appears to be Commerce Secretary Gary Locke)
See the unedited version of the video at that page.

I don't like some of the things he says or does either, but doesn't he deserve at least a fair attitude, without bending the facts to one's whim???
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That's hardly the truth:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/snubbed.asp



See the unedited version of the video at that page.

I don't like some of the things he says or does either, but doesn't he deserve at least a fair attitude, without bending the facts to one's whim???
please, you can see the look on his face of surprise and disappointment every time.

Thus far, Obama has proven to me that he deserves nothing. I didn't vote for him then. Didn't like his politics or his policies then, and in my opinion has shown the world just how bad he will make it before he admitts he is wrong.

Open a 5th grade American History book and read what Hoover did to divert the great depression. When you have read your fill, take a look at what has been going on since he took office.

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Has Obama failed? Greatly. Often? HELL YES! Do I laugh when I see suckers still thinking he's gonna fix it all? Oh GOD yes! Like a kiss on a boo boo. Doesn't really do jack ****!
However to attack any of it is pointless. the failure speaks for it's self and if people can't see it on their own then they won't see it when you point it to them either. Too many people just believed blindly as badly as Obama believed he could do ****. That's the saddest part is that Obama really thinks and thought he could fix it. Just like that.
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Too many people just believed blindly as badly as Obama believed he could do ****. That's the saddest part is that Obama really thinks and thought he could fix it. Just like that.
obama has never being about "fixing it".
for a couple of reasons, transferring the wealth has always been his agenda.

One is his voting base compiled mostly of the half of America that take rather than paying any income tax. Strangely, half of America thinks the income tax is fair. Could that possible be the 50% that never pay any income tax??

The other is his hatred for the successful Americans that by their efforts have brought them a measure of success.

He simply doesn't think they deserve it!

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Like the rest of America, I suspect that the SVX form ones that were fooled by the "con man" have now discovered the "Scam"!

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please, you can see the look on his face of surprise and disappointment every time.

Thus far, Obama has proven to me that he deserves nothing. I didn't vote for him then. Didn't like his politics or his policies then, and in my opinion has shown the world just how bad he will make it before he admitts he is wrong.

Open a 5th grade American History book and read what Hoover did to divert the great depression. When you have read your fill, take a look at what has been going on since he took office.

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That is one of the biggest problems. Young adults as well as older ones don't know history. To not know it is to repeat it. All you have to do is to look at the past to figure out what to do now! No, no they won't!
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I didn't vote for him either. I couldn't have even if I wanted, as I am not a US citizen. However, I think that many voted for him just because they considered him a lesser evil than the opposing candidate. I personally know several such people. They are not convinced that McCain would have done better job.

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I studied a different history in my 5th grade, so I am not sure what Hoover did to stop the oncoming depression. I am also not sure if what you said was a sarcastic remark (i.e., what Hoover did actually made depression worse). But I looked at Wikipedia, and it largely blames Hoover's actions for deepening and worsening the depression:

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Congress approved the Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act in 1930. The legislation, which raised tariffs on thousands of imported items, was signed into law by Hoover in June 1930. The intent of the Act was to encourage the purchase of American-made products by increasing the cost of imported goods, while raising revenue for the federal government and protecting farmers. However, economic depression now spread through much of the world, and other nations increased tariffs on American-made goods in retaliation, reducing international trade, and worsening the Depression.

In 1931, Hoover issued the Hoover Moratorium, calling for a one-year halt in reparation payments by Germany to France and in the payment of Allied war debts to the United States. The plan was met with much opposition, especially from France, who saw significant losses to Germany during World War I. The Moratorium did little to ease economic declines. As the moratorium neared its expiration the following year, an attempt to find a permanent solution was made at the Lausanne Conference of 1932. A working compromise was never established, and by the start of World War II, reparations payments had stopped completely.

Hoover in 1931 urged the major banks in the country to form a consortium known as the National Credit Corporation (NCC). The NCC was an example of Hoover's belief in volunteerism as a mechanism in aiding the economy. Hoover encouraged NCC member banks to provide loans to smaller banks to prevent them from collapsing. The banks within the NCC were often reluctant to provide loans, usually requiring banks to provide their largest assets as collateral. It quickly became apparent that the NCC would be incapable of fixing the problems it was designed to solve, and it was replaced by the Reconstruction Finance Corporation.
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And just to enlighten some people who have been closed to thinking about what the rest of the world thinks of your leader...
Ordinary people throughout the rest of the world were thrilled that with the election of Obama, democracy had been so absolutely demonstrated in an historic and tangible way. You should be increasing still further your status in the eyes of the world, by utilising the advantage of having such a significant personage as a front man.

As we on the outside understand it, you do not have any form of a dictatorship. Surely there are no grounds whereby the president should be made a solitary scapegoat. Or does he alone run the USA ?
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I was not being sarcastic about Hoover. If you look at what Hoover had done to stimulate the economy and create jobs by funding federal and state projects, it is a mirror image to what Obama is trying to do today. The democratic party that leads this country today has likely been taking notes from it. I do not understand why they think such foolish actions would be any better today than they were then. Example, GM is getting more money from the federal government for a bail-out. WHY???? It is an open market and as far as I am concerned they should be allowed to go out of business. Products and technology change and with that change a company must keep up. Consumers change based on the market and visa versa. With all of this going on GM should be doing a better job catering to the market than government politics to stay afloat. What you are hailing as a Democracy is the result of the majority of under educated people who felt there was something to gain from a democratic government. unfortunately, it comes down to this. They are failing, horribly, and they are continuing to dig this country deeper and deeper until they hit the bedrock. At which point they will likely break out the jack-hammer and continue on. The democrats NEED to be thrown out of office and real leadership be instituted. Am I a man for the job? No. Was McCain?? possibly. Problem is, an election is always the result of a lesser of two evils vote. In this case a judgement of evil was in the form of monies not handed out by the gov't.

He can turn it around, other demo's can realize their mistakes before it is too late. although I believe it already is. But if no one has anything to say about it, they will continue destroying this country
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