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Old 09-26-2009, 07:06 PM
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I hope you enjoy your new ford focus. Please die in a fire.
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Matt, you are too kind.

Hey 123 former SVX owners, come to my place...
We are having a bonfire!
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Old 09-26-2009, 08:17 PM
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I don't suppose it has occurred to anyone that the reason this huge saving in oil use only represents 1/4 day of total USA oil use could be because maybe the USA uses too much oil per capita on a day to day basis? No? Nobody over there sees it that way?



The way I sees it, Joe, is that you guys got buses & trolleys that actually run on time. AND, if you miss the bus, you can call the missus, apologize, & then amble over to the corner pub for a few pints. Crawling home can save a few pints o' oil.
So........save the planet - drink more beer!

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Old 09-26-2009, 08:25 PM
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Re: Cash For Clunkers.....Figured Out!!!

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I don't suppose it has occurred to anyone that the reason this huge saving in oil use only represents 1/4 day of total USA oil use could be because maybe the USA uses too much oil per capita on a day to day basis? No? Nobody over there sees it that way?



The way I sees it, Joe, is that you guys got buses & trolleys that actually run on time. AND, if you miss the bus, you can call the missus, apologize, & then amble over to the corner pub for a few pints. Crawling home can save a few pints o' oil.
So........save the planet - drink more beer!

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I'll drink to that Ron! Where should we meet?
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I'll drink to that Ron! Where should we meet?
Somewhere across the pond.


No....Not THAT pond!

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Re: Cash For Clunkers.....Figured Out!!!

Just ran into this thread. Ah the complainers!

As if getting P.O.S's off the road is a bad thing. Instead of giving people an incentive to trade their cars in for newer ones to help our environment, lets support them to keep 'clunkers' out there. It can't be all that bad if we don't do anything about our environment now and help our children and children's children live in a better environment. Right!?
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Old 09-27-2009, 09:17 AM
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Just ran into this thread. Ah the complainers!

As if getting P.O.S's off the road is a bad thing. Instead of giving people an incentive to trade their cars in for newer ones to help our environment, lets support them to keep 'clunkers' out there. It can't be all that bad if we don't do anything about our environment now and help our children and children's children live in a better environment. Right!?
Or MAYBE they could take the 3 Billion (plus administrative costs of maybe another 1.5 or 2 billion) and give the little guys (like us) a cash incentive to improve the efficiency of the cars we already own by paying the little guy (aka small businesses like mechanics, junkyards, etc.) and not going into debt for a NEW car. OR maybe they could invest that 5-6 billion into cleaner alternative fuel research -- remember it's not just cars that are ruining the environment. This was just a quick and easy solution which benefitted the car manufacturers and their already overpaid autoworkers, and the finance companies who got us into this mess in the first place!

I would hardly put the SVX in the same category as a full-size Dodge Ram van P.O.S. Perhaps those SHOULD be retired, but I shouldn't be paying for it. Especially if it hurts my business, as well. Where is my handout when I can't pay my mortgage and can't find a decent used car to buy at a reasonable price because they have all been destroyed?

P.S. How many of those "P.O.S."s in your signature are you willing to destroy to save your children's environment?
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What happened to the tune ups and inflating tires to the correct pressure? I thought that would take care of our dependency on oil.
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Re: Cash For Clunkers.....Figured Out!!!

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Just ran into this thread. Ah the complainers!

As if getting P.O.S's off the road is a bad thing. Instead of giving people an incentive to trade their cars in for newer ones to help our environment, lets support them to keep 'clunkers' out there. It can't be all that bad if we don't do anything about our environment now and help our children and children's children live in a better environment. Right!?

3billion in renovating some major roadways to reduce major congestion would be more of a long term plan to reduce emmissions than try to coax people into buying new cars they cannot really afford and will soon be repossessed. Then again, it doesn't look like our current government officials really give a rats ass about long term with how fast they are piling up our national deficit. I understand the concern for cleaner vehicles, but lets make sure they will be able to actually operate cleaner first

Mike and I had a small debate about this a little while ago. It is the HUGE gas guzzles like the H2 and the moving zip code Ford Excursion that are really crushing out the pollutants. Maybe change the classing of these vehicles to require a CDL to operate. This way a soccer mom with 1 kid might buy a minivan instead of a land yacht.

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Or MAYBE they could take the 3 Billion (plus administrative costs of maybe another 1.5 or 2 billion) ....
OR maybe they could invest that 5-6 billion into cleaner alternative fuel research --
I am not just angered by Big Brother taking OUR money!

I am not just angered that Big Brother LIED about our gas mileage!

(Our SVXi get 18-20 MPG around town with spirited driving.)

Why did'nt we take that $5-6 BILLION and invest in say, solar pannels on the roofs of schools.
They are usually flat unobstructed places.
During the school year the pannels lower OUR electric bills, and in the summer they would send free electricty back into the grid!

And how about rather than crushing those clunker minivans, put them in a park outside of citys for homeless people to live in untill they return to society.
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Here is an article from Autoblog some pretty rare and/or potentially valuable cars that have been taken in by this program. Its interestingly sad to note that it seems they pegged 123 SVXs among them. However, one glimmer of hope seems to be the actual Cash for Clunkers program only calls for the engines to be disabled, the salvage yard just needs to prove they crushed the chassis and engine.

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I swore I would stay out of this, but I just can't resist.

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Dear 123 former svx owners,
I hope you enjoy your new ford focus. Please die in a fire.
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Matt.
I did a little looking online. I found the base focus sedan for $15995, which is $263/mo for 72 months through their financing. Wow what a deal. That's $3156 per year for that POS.

I bought my SVX a little over a year ago for $3200. I've put about another 2.5k into it repairing what was needed, and adding the aminities that even this focus doesn't include. My car is reliable, comfortable, attractive and all mine. I make my payments (repairs/upgrades) on my schedule, and the car just keeps getting better. It's flex-fuel thus reducing our dependence on oil, and it drives much better than the focus.

What does this prove? That CFC was not about saving the environment because as was already discussed that new focus has already created more carbon during manufacture than my car will for the rest of it's life. It's not about lowering our dependence on oil, because if we were really serious about that we'd actually have high MPG cars available here like the rest of the world and we'd be retrofitting our older cars to run on alternative sources. This isn't about stimulating the economy because taking $3156/year out of the pockets of consumers will do no such thing. It isn't even about stimulating the domestic economy because most of the cars traded in were American cars with American mechanics keeping them running while Hondas, Toyotas, etc were the most purchased.

If anyone truly has Cash For Clunkers figured out, please let me know because this scam just looks bad from every perspective.

In 72 months if I've spent $15995 on my SVX, it'll be the meanest car you'll ever see. That money will be going to folks here on the forum, and local mechanics. It'll drive comparable to cars worth 4-5 times that much, and I won't owe a penny. Let's talk to those focus owners in 6 years and see how happy they are with their "investment".
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I can attest to the fact that in Utah, cash for clunkers cars are sent to wrecking yards with only the engines disabled (run with sodium silicate or something til they seize). I just bought an SVX tranny from a CfC car with less than 30k miles on a full rebuild (so said the previous owner) for about $100 from the local U-pull yard.

Now if I use said tranny to reactivate an SVX that's been off the road with trans problems (which I might do) then there's been nothing gained, right? One SVX out of commission, one back in service.

I didn't cry too much for the SVX that I pulled it from, as it had over 200k on it and needed paint badly. I would have given $500- $1000 for it as a parts car, but I can't compete with the $3500- $4500 the owner got for it in the CfC program.
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I can attest to the fact that in Utah, cash for clunkers cars are sent to wrecking yards with only the engines disabled (run with sodium silicate or something til they seize). I just bought an SVX tranny from a CfC car with less than 30k miles on a full rebuild (so said the previous owner) for about $100 from the local U-pull yard.

Now if I use said tranny to reactivate an SVX that's been off the road with trans problems (which I might do) then there's been nothing gained, right? One SVX out of commission, one back in service.

I didn't cry too much for the SVX that I pulled it from, as it had over 200k on it and needed paint badly. I would have given $500- $1000 for it as a parts car, but I can't compete with the $3500- $4500 the owner got for it in the CfC program.
According to the CARS rules, the car must be destroyed (crushed or shredded) within 6 months of the salvage company receiving it from the dealership. Get all the parts you need (or MAY need) while you can!
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