The Subaru SVX World Network   SVX Network Forums
Live Chat!
SVX or Subaru Links
Old Lockers
Photo Post
How-To Documents
Message Archive
SVX Shop Search
IRC users:

Go Back   The Subaru SVX World Network > SVX Main Forums > Technical Q & A

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 09-09-2005, 02:30 PM
billb billb is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Akron, OH
Posts: 165
Bad Ball Joints? How to tell?

I bought some nice Goodyear Assurance tires today and wanted them to do a wheel alignment. They said that both lower ball joints were bad so they need replaced before the alignment. How can I tell if they are bad? I don't drive it hard and I've never noticed any sort of problem.

If I need them, they're about $57 from subaruparts.com. Not to bad considering the Goodyear store wants $75 each and another $75 to install each for a nice total of about $300 plus the alignment.

This looks like a do it yourself job. Is it?
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 09-09-2005, 02:37 PM
Beav's Avatar
Beav Beav is offline
Not as old as Randy
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Louisville, KY
Posts: 3,883
Significant Technical Input
Once it is adequately jacked up and the frt wheels removed there is only three nuts/bolts and one nut to remove, per side. A couple good whacks with a BFH and you're ready to install the new joint.
__________________
ASE Certified Master Automotive Technician w/L1.
ASE Certified Master Medium/Heavy Truck Technician.
Certified EVT (Emergency Vehicle Technician)
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 09-09-2005, 02:37 PM
Earthworm's Avatar
Earthworm Earthworm is offline
Meow!
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Winnipeg, Manitoba
Posts: 11,957
Send a message via ICQ to Earthworm Send a message via AIM to Earthworm Send a message via MSN to Earthworm Send a message via Yahoo to Earthworm Send a message via Skype™ to Earthworm
Yes it can be done yourself. A search will turn up several instructions. There's a couple different techniques and it shouldn't take more than an hour.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 09-09-2005, 02:52 PM
Hocrest's Avatar
Hocrest Hocrest is offline
Freezepop's are Awesome!!!!
Subaru Silver Contributor
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Pittston, PA
Posts: 5,334
Send a message via AIM to Hocrest
The easiest ball joints I've ever worked with

Remove the pinch bolt on the steering knuckle first, then use a block of wood and the BFH that Beav mentioned to knock the control arm down. This will pull the joint out of the knuckle. Once the arm is down it is 3 easy nuts/bolts and away you go
__________________
Dave
- 03 Baja - 92 SVX - 86 Brat - 08 OB 3.0
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 09-09-2005, 03:29 PM
Beav's Avatar
Beav Beav is offline
Not as old as Randy
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Louisville, KY
Posts: 3,883
Significant Technical Input
Forego the wood block. The ball joint stud is tapered, as is the hole it passes through. A couple good whacks on the side of the steering knuckle (the part the hole resides in) will break the interference fit of the tapered stud/hole and release the joint.

p.s. "a good whack" is best delivered by a 3# hammer with as much force as you can muster while keeping control of its landing area.

EDIT: ooops... it has been so long since I've had to separate the stud end that I forget whether or not it uses a pinch bolt or tapered stud. If it uses a pinch bolt proceed with the wood block, and my apologies.
__________________
ASE Certified Master Automotive Technician w/L1.
ASE Certified Master Medium/Heavy Truck Technician.
Certified EVT (Emergency Vehicle Technician)

Last edited by Beav; 09-09-2005 at 11:44 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 09-09-2005, 08:03 PM
Subafreak's Avatar
Subafreak Subafreak is offline
Superbeast
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Central Village Ct.
Posts: 4,330
Make sure to check them first. Alot of those stores will tell you stuff like that just to get out of doing the free alignment.
__________________
92 SVX #772 140k 6speed, ECU Tune stage II, Koni/Ground control, 3,270lbs.
91 Legacy Turbo 5spd. FMIC, crappy stock turbo, ACT clutch.
78 BRAT (New toy) (Soon to be EJ22T powered)
90 240 SX. RB25 powered!! DRIFT!!!111!!! (GF's car)

To many cars to spend time on teh web!
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 09-23-2005, 07:13 AM
billb billb is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Akron, OH
Posts: 165
Driver's side ball joint just completed. Not too bad. The stud is not tapered. Loosen the pinch bolt, then a wooden block and the BFH knock it loose. Thanks for the advice everyone. After that you can remove the 3 mounting bolts and pull out the bad boy.

Just one question.....
How do you know if the stud on the new one is in far enough? (THis should get some interesting responses). Should the rubber seal be smashed?
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 09-23-2005, 08:05 AM
svxfiles's Avatar
svxfiles svxfiles is offline
There's a storm coming.
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Wiley Ford WV
Posts: 8,650
Significant Technical Input Registered SVX
Look into the hole where the pinchbolt goes, and make sure it's lined up before you install and tighten the bolt.
I use Blue Locktight on these bolts, as they are some of the most important bolts on the car!!!
__________________
www.svxfiles.com
The first SuperCharged SVX,
the first 4.44 gears,
the first equal length headers,
the first phenolic spacers,
the first Class Glass fiberglass hood,
the first with 4, 4.44s in his driveway


Fiberglass Hood thread
My locker
4.44 Swap link
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 09-23-2005, 08:37 AM
billb billb is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Akron, OH
Posts: 165
Just completed and answered my own question. You have to completely remove the pinch bolt to get the ball joint stud out. You can't just loosen the bolt. There's a groove all the way around on the stud that provides clearance for the pinch bolt. The bolt basically locks the stud in.

When you put in the new one, if the stud isn't in the right depth, you can't get the pinch bolt back in. The bolt has to line up with that groove.

Maybe I should write up a little "How-to"

Or maybe I'm just a rookie.....you all can decide.

If someone want a how-to, I'll write one. No pictures.
Bill

By the way...the Goodyear store was right. Both ball joints had a lot of play in them. They wanted $340 to replace them both. It cost me $115 from 1stsubaruparts.com and about 2 hours (with breaks).

Last edited by billb; 09-23-2005 at 08:40 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 09-23-2005, 10:47 AM
Earthworm's Avatar
Earthworm Earthworm is offline
Meow!
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Winnipeg, Manitoba
Posts: 11,957
Send a message via ICQ to Earthworm Send a message via AIM to Earthworm Send a message via MSN to Earthworm Send a message via Yahoo to Earthworm Send a message via Skype™ to Earthworm
Quote:
Originally Posted by billb
If someone want a how-to, I'll write one. No pictures.
Sure, do it. You should submit it on the SVXipedia.
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 09-23-2005, 11:27 AM
billb billb is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Akron, OH
Posts: 165
I just submitted it to SVXipedia.

I still have to submit the writeup on cleaning the throttle body, IAC & aux air control valve. I have a great writeup with photos, it's just too big of a file.
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 09-23-2005, 12:07 PM
Earthworm's Avatar
Earthworm Earthworm is offline
Meow!
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Winnipeg, Manitoba
Posts: 11,957
Send a message via ICQ to Earthworm Send a message via AIM to Earthworm Send a message via MSN to Earthworm Send a message via Yahoo to Earthworm Send a message via Skype™ to Earthworm
If you still have the separate photos just select how many photos there are, enter their paths on the screen (like attaching files to posts here) then copy/paste the text indicating where the photos go. I'll take care of the rest.
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 09-23-2005, 01:10 PM
billb billb is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Akron, OH
Posts: 165
I just submitted the Throttle Body and IAC cleaning files. I pasted the text into your text submittal box and attached 11 photos. It appears to have transferred. Let me know if you received it and have any problems with it.
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 09-23-2005, 02:54 PM
Earthworm's Avatar
Earthworm Earthworm is offline
Meow!
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Winnipeg, Manitoba
Posts: 11,957
Send a message via ICQ to Earthworm Send a message via AIM to Earthworm Send a message via MSN to Earthworm Send a message via Yahoo to Earthworm Send a message via Skype™ to Earthworm
Thanks a bunch for the submissions. I've got one of the 2 submissions converted until something happened to my ISP connection (the SVXipedia is currently down). It may have to wait until I get home from work before I can get everything running again.
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 09-23-2005, 05:46 PM
Earthworm's Avatar
Earthworm Earthworm is offline
Meow!
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Winnipeg, Manitoba
Posts: 11,957
Send a message via ICQ to Earthworm Send a message via AIM to Earthworm Send a message via MSN to Earthworm Send a message via Yahoo to Earthworm Send a message via Skype™ to Earthworm
OK, the SVXipedia is running again. I had my GF restart the router.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 09:34 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
© 2001-2015 SVX World Network
(208)-906-1122