A couple of things, yap yap yap

[eddycat2000]

Originally posted by 1994SubaruSVX
i would like to know how much they make on average.

On a used car and a good day, and a toopid customer that just has to have the car? Between 2-5k per unit. One salesman I know made over ten grand in commissions one month. (He made more than the owner that month). Figure commission is 25% of the gross, and you get an idea of how much money is generated through sales, and also why the service department is the ba$tard child of the dealership. A tech might bring the dealership 60k per year, but a salesman, (usually a shyster) can bring about double that if not more.

We had an older Subaru come in running poorly that they ACV'd (actual cash value) at 50 bucks. I swapped some misrouted vacuum lines around and it sold for 3500 bucks a week later. Yup, I got paid my 15 bucks, (It took an hour to straighten everything out.)

[1994SubaruSVX]

wow. that sucks eddy. i guess that is why the whole process is just uncomfortable, you know you are about to get ripped off. thanks for the answer. : )

[eddycat2000]

Originally posted by 1994SubaruSVX
wow. that sucks eddy. i guess that is why the whole process is just uncomfortable, you know you are about to get ripped off. thanks for the answer. : )

The truth is out there, but just be sure you want to hear the answer.

Why, just recently I found out we all have All Wheel Steering and didn't even know it! Now mind ya, I have *never* been under one of these cars, and this is just a shot in the dark, but nowhere in my factory manuals was there a section on AWS, so I just took it as fact that there was no AWS! So I just assumed that the people that designed and built the cars knew what they were talking about, however, I have been informed that a writer for Road and Track magazine knows more than these folks. Pshew, close one, I was almost bamboozled into thinking they actually knew something. Next time I see me some brochures and stuff on e-bay, you can bet yer bottom dollar I'm going to be buying some of them things up!

I see you might be taking a road trip to Ken-tuck-ee, if you get a chance come on up to northern Ideeho...I'll show you my pet bigfoot! I live right by the lake too, and there is a fair chance we can see a sea monster if'n we sit on the beach long enough.

Responding to jscorse, the exact wording of the factory sticker is "four wheel fully independent suspension with passive four wheel steering."

--Brad

[eddycat2000]

Originally posted by BradT
Responding to jscorse, the exact wording of the factory sticker is "four wheel fully independent suspension with passive four wheel steering."

--Brad

Uh huh, I think you may be right there. But let's check out truth in advertising. I have access to several "solar clothes driers". Would anyone be interested in buying one? I'm willing to sell them at the rock bottom price of 29.95 each, includes shipping.

Now mind you, a solar clothes drier consists of a few feet of nylon rope and a couple of anchors. But have I said anything dishonest? Nope, the sun will sure enough dry your clothes if my "product" is used properly, (installed in a sunny locale).

If you guys really have to insist you have AWS, then by all means go for it. I really don't care, but rest assured I will be chuckling every time I read a post about it. And I pray that some poor dood just doesn't take it to heart and go to his dealer stating his doesn't seem to be working. I can't even imagine the embarassment I'd feel as the tech was walking away shaking his head and laffing.

[SVXphile]

All things come to he who waits....

<The truth is out there>

SV X-file........ Don

[Aredubjay]

Originally posted by eddycat2000
but nowhere in my factory manuals was there a section on AWS

Nowhere in the factory manuals does it mention the Engine's role in propelling the car. Yet, if one assembles the component parts as described will it not do what it's supposed to do? Neither does it mention specifically that the transmission aids in the propulsion of the automobile, yet, if the component parts are assembled as described, will it not perform its function, even though the function is not specifically mentioned? Could it be possible that, even though the function of "passive steering" is not specifically mentioned, that, once the suspension's component parts are assembled as described, that it would perform a function that is not specifically mentioned? If I follow the instructions on building and launching a kite, even though it does not mention, specifically, the word "fly," if I have assembled the component parts as per instructions, will it refuse to fly, merely because the terminology was not there? One has to wonder.

[eddycat2000]

Originally posted by Aredubjay


Nowhere in the factory manuals does it mention the Engine's role in propelling the car. Yet, if one assembles the component parts as described will it not do what it's supposed to do? Neither does it mention specifically that the transmission aids in the propulsion of the automobile, yet, if the component parts are assembled as described, will it not perform its function, even though the function is not specifically mentioned? Could it be possible that, even though the function of "passive steering" is not specifically mentioned, that, once the suspension's component parts are assembled as described, that it would perform a function that is not specifically mentioned? If I follow the instructions on building and launching a kite, even though it does not mention, specifically, the word "fly," if I have assembled the component parts as per instructions, will it refuse to fly, merely because the terminology was not there? One has to wonder.

What you say is true Arebub. However, in any *repair* manuals I have seen, if there is a system on the car, there is a corresponding section in the manual for the repair of that system. I have noticed that some people here don't have sunroofs or ABS, there are sections in the manuals for repairing those, because *they* do exist in some models.

But as I said earlier, if it makes you guys sleep better at night knowing you have AWS, then by all means *you* have AWS. Besides, despite my best efforts to prove my point using logic, first hand knowledge, years of experience, humor, satire, and finally great big rocks to try and show you the light, I have failed. A great man once said, "you cannot teach those that will not learn". (Oh...wait, that was me! )

[Mr. Pockets]

Originally posted by eddycat2000


On a used car and a good day, and a toopid customer that just has to have the car? Between 2-5k per unit. One salesman I know made over ten grand in commissions one month. (He made more than the owner that month). Figure commission is 25% of the gross, and you get an idea of how much money is generated through sales, and also why the service department is the ba$tard child of the dealership. A tech might bring the dealership 60k per year, but a salesman, (usually a shyster) can bring about double that if not more.

We had an older Subaru come in running poorly that they ACV'd (actual cash value) at 50 bucks. I swapped some misrouted vacuum lines around and it sold for 3500 bucks a week later. Yup, I got paid my 15 bucks, (It took an hour to straighten everything out.)

I had a friend in VT who, when approached by a car salesman, would recite the same line to greet him/her:

'Look, to me you guys are no better than murderers and rapists. Let's just get that clear.'

A little harsh. I don't like car salespeople, either - part of the reason I give them such a hard time selling me the damned car. Sure, I want a good dea, but makin' 'em really work for it is half the fun in my book.

[Aredubjay]

Originally posted by eddycat2000


What you say is true Arebub. However, in any *repair* manuals I have seen, if there is a system on the car, there is a corresponding section in the manual for the repair of that system.

That's because it is not a "system." It is a passive by-product of the design. If you have used your first hand knowledge and years of experience to their fullest, and assembled the suspension correctly, the intended effect is allowed to occur.

[eddycat2000]

Originally posted by Aredubjay


That's because it is not a "system." It is a passive by-product of the design. If you have used your first hand knowledge and years of experience to their fullest, and assembled the suspension correctly, the intended effect is allowed to occur.

That was a shot, wasn't it? Can't prove your point so now the insults start.

And a darned good shot it was too! Perhaps as you know volumes more than me about the car, we should propose a new area, Aredubjay's Garage.

I *think* in my last post on the issue I pretty much stated that you aren't going to change your mind, nor am I. So what's the point of arguing?

[Aredubjay]

Originally posted by eddycat2000


That was a shot, wasn't it? Can't prove your point so now the insults start.

And a darned good shot it was too! Perhaps as you know volumes more than me about the car, we should propose a new area, Aredubjay's Garage.

I *think* in my last post on the issue I pretty much stated that you aren't going to change your mind, nor am I. So what's the point of arguing?

A) It wasn't a "shot" -- I respect your experience and your abilities. And, I think I've proven my point quite well -- thank you very much.

B) I don't want a garage.

C) You're right, neither of us are going to change our minds.

D) Don't keep throwing bait among multiple threads and then accuse me of arguing when I take it.

[jscorse]

Because it's fun to watch. I'm glad we've reignited this one. Let's keep it going. I just love it!

I suppose the mechanic has never repaired our AWS because if it was broke the backend of the car would be all over the road.

he he he

[eddycat2000]

Originally posted by jscorse
Because it's fun to watch. I'm glad we've reignited this one. Let's keep it going. I just love it!

I suppose the mechanic has never repaired our AWS because if it was broke the backend of the car would be all over the road.

he he he

He started it..NO! He started it...

Nah, the mechanic has never fixed your AWS because it's a figment of someone's imagination. The mechanic has had to on occasion replace a few bushings in the rear suspension at times. So I guess in some folks minds that would constitute fixing the AWS.

Oh man, I just had a thought! (Rare occurance) Wouldn't it be funny if we locked the guy that owns a 980 HP SVX, and the one that owns a designed for rear wheel drive SVX, and the one (s?) that have AWS, the fella that had two buttons on his shift lever (none of the rest of us do, yahoo thread, sorry might have lost you on that one), and the 14 year old brochure totin' kid in a room and toss in a few copies of road and track and some sales literature? Imagine the brainstorming in that room! Too funny! Eventually we'd find out that SVX's can float, fly, do a 360 in 2 feet and that they all came equipped with ejection seats, 6 speed manual trannies and cup holders that actually aren't a pain to use.

I still have some of those solar clothes driers for sale if anyone wants them.

[eddycat2000]

Originally posted by Aredubjay


A) It wasn't a "shot" -- I respect your experience and your abilities.

No, you don't.