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Re: recommended maintenance: replace vacuum hoses at 100K miles

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Is the list of hoses with part numbers in the PDF writeup still accurate? What did you do for the hoses that aren't available anymore?
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Re: recommended maintenance: replace vacuum hoses at 100K miles

Yes, the list is still accurate. You'll be able to replace the majority of the hoses despite certain ones still being in stock. I wasn't able to replace all. I have since ordered Viton hoses from mcmaster.com.
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Re: recommended maintenance: replace vacuum hoses at 100K miles

Just for future reference the vacuum lines under the manifold are all 3mm, and silicone can be bought from ebay for $6 for 10 feet, just cut to fit you won't be disappointed. But as mentioned cut off all the stock hose by slitting it from the solenoid/nipple and carefully remove it as those plastic nipples are brittle.
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Re: recommended maintenance: replace vacuum hoses at 100K miles

I've spoke a little too soon, I replaced all the vacuum lines/pcv/knock sensors as described above however now I the car won't start.

Initially the car rev'd to 2k then stalled. Now after after 2 times of doing that, it'll barely get above 200-300 rpms before stalling out. Each time it does this now. If i give it gas I can get the car to remain running but it' still rough, and the moment i let off the gas it will stall.

Given that i've touched everything to do with the intake, it could be anything. I did NOT replace the intake manifold and throttle body gaskets. I've read that that faulty gaskets can cause symptoms as described above, is that true?
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I've spoke a little too soon, I replaced all the vacuum lines/pcv/knock sensors as described above however now I the car won't start.

Initially the car rev'd to 2k then stalled. Now after after 2 times of doing that, it'll barely get above 200-300 rpms before stalling out. Each time it does this now. If i give it gas I can get the car to remain running but it' still rough, and the moment i let off the gas it will stall.

Given that i've touched everything to do with the intake, it could be anything. I did NOT replace the intake manifold and throttle body gaskets. I've read that that faulty gaskets can cause symptoms as described above, is that true?
yes, old gasket may not be sealing or it may have slid around when you were trying to bolt it down.
Best way to find out (you might need a buddy to help) keep the car running as best you can but not high rpms, take some carb/throttle body cleaner and spray the gasket area, all vacuum hoses and anything that could let air in, also did you reconnect the idle air bypass hose on the intake?
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Re: recommended maintenance: replace vacuum hoses at 100K miles

Using the old gaskets was probably contributing to the problem, however the main problem is a cracked intake manifold, about a 1/4 in above the pcv. I've since ordered new gaskets (intake and throttle body) and transferred the solenoids and hoses to the spare manifold. Will post results as soon as possible.
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Re: recommended maintenance: replace vacuum hoses at 100K miles

Just want to close the loop on this...

Luckily I had a spare intake manifold available and was able to transfer everything over to the spare. My issues were in fact due to the cracked manifold referenced above. Due to the extended downtime I ordered and installed gaskets for the intake manifold and throttle body.

Put everything back together and the SVX fired back up without any issue. I've noticed a much steadier idle. I can only assume that I was losing a significant amount of vacuum due to the old/rotted hoses.

Out of curiosity I decided to test the vacuum (wish I would have tested the vacuum before). At idle with A/C off, the factory manual states that vacuum should be 20.08 inHg. My results were 19inHg and were relatively steady throughout the rpm range. The loss in inHg could be due to a leak in the air intake system, which would make sense because I noticed a slight crack along one of the hose attachments on the black box. Another cause could be leakage around the cylinders, again not surprising considering this is a 26 year old car with 160k.

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Re: recommended maintenance: replace vacuum hoses at 100K miles

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BTW, if anyone is interested in tackling this, I wrote a how-to on it. Its in the how-to locker:

http://www.subaru-svx.net/photos/files/How-To/30340.pdf
Does anyone know why this isn't in the How To forum? Also, what is the verdict on Viton versus Silicone versus standard vacuum hose?

Also, there is some confusion on hardness and durometer. The Viton is offered in 60A and 75A durometer. They are both considered very flexible. 60A is soft and 75A is firm, not the other way around. The how to document says to order the 60A but then says to order firm. That is contradictory. So which do we want? 60A soft or 75A firm?
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Re: recommended maintenance: replace vacuum hoses at 100K miles

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I don’t know if I agree with mileage, but rather time. You can put 100K on a car in 3 years. Any good rubber hose should last that long. Would you change these hoses every 3 years?

Your polo hoses have been functioning well, undisturbed, for 20 years. If you use rubber again you should get that longevity again.

But the Viton has enough advantages of remaining stable under elevated temperatures (400°) as is the case under our manifolds, so if you use it you are only going to have to do it once. I would go with the firmer tubing. Still flexible, but will allow you to tout it and make tighter turns without linking. Also, less likely to collapse under high vacuum.
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I don’t know if I agree with mileage, but rather time. You can put 100K on a car in 3 years. Any good rubber hose should last that long. Would you change these hoses every 3 years?

Your polo hoses have been functioning well, undisturbed, for 20 years. If you use rubber again you should get that longevity again.

But the Viton has enough advantages of remaining stable under elevated temperatures (400°) as is the case under our manifolds, so if you use it you are only going to have to do it once. I would go with the firmer tubing. Still flexible, but will allow you to tout it and make tighter turns without linking. Also, less likely to collapse under high vacuum.
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What type of rubber are the oem hoses made from?

And what is your opinion on getting other stuff done while the engine is out? Tom did my timing belt, pulleys and water pump about 40k miles and 6 years ago. Seems like a waste to do them again. They should have quite some time left on them. Tom also did all of the cam and crank seals then as well as the plugs. But those are cheap and the plugs will need to be done in less than 20k miles anyway. I did the valve cover gaskets about 8 years and 70k miles ago. I don't think they are leaking yet but there is at least a decent chance that they will need to be done soon so I am leaning toward doing them.
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If you are going to pull the engine to do the head gaskets, replacing other parts will be a piece of cake.

The idler pulleys and the water pump are probably fine to leave alone. But since the timing belt is recommended to be replaced at 60K, you can replace it for just the cost of the belt if needed, rather than reinstall the old one. Maybe look into a new timing belt tensioner as well

Doing the vacuum lines under the manifold is a definite must, plus a new PCV valve, which is very easy now.

Plugs and valve cover gaskets will now be a piece of cake, so do them. The money you spend now is much cheaper than the amount you would have to spend later on labor with the engine back in the car.

Since you are draining the coolant and putting in new, a new thermostat and both radiator hoses are recommended.


Look at THIS PDF FILE for SVX maintenance items, part numbers and prices

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Tony,

If you are going to pull the engine to do the head gaskets, replacing other parts will be a piece of cake.

The idler pulleys and the water pump are probably fine to leave alone. But since the timing belt is recommended to be replaced at 60K, you can replace it for just the cost of the belt if needed, rather than reinstall the old one. Maybe look into a new timing belt tensioner as well

Doing the vacuum lines under the manifold is a definite must, plus a new PCV valve, which is very easy now.

Plugs and valve cover gaskets will now be a piece of cake, so do them. The money you spend now is much cheaper than the amount you would have to spend later on labor with the engine back in the car.

Since you are draining the coolant and putting in new, a new thermostat and both radiator hoses are recommended.


Look at THIS PDF FILE for SVX maintenance items, part numbers and prices

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When you say timing belt tensioner, are you talking about the pulley or the actual hydraulic actuator?

I get what you are saying about the belt.

On the valve cover gaskets, the originals lasted 15 years and 80K miles. I have put 70K miles on the car since but it has only been 8 years. Do you really think these need to be done? I am on the fence on this one. If so, do these need to be from Subaru or would one of the aftermarket kits with all the seals be fine? https://www.rockauto.com/en/moreinfo...70516&jsn=3630
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When you say timing belt tensioner, are you talking about the pulley or the actual hydraulic actuator?

I get what you are saying about the belt.

On the valve cover gaskets, the originals lasted 15 years and 80K miles. I have put 70K miles on the car since but it has only been 8 years. Do you really think these need to be done? I am on the fence on this one. If so, do these need to be from Subaru or would one of the aftermarket kits with all the seals be fine? https://www.rockauto.com/en/moreinfo...70516&jsn=3630

The actual hydraulic actuator. If the original can be compressed, installed and released without problems, use it. But I would keep a new one on hand in case if the original fails. Return it if you don’t need it and maybe replace it at the next timing belt change.

As for the valve cover gaskets, check them over for leaks when the engine is out of the car. You can tighten any loose ones if necessary.they should be snug, not really tight.

Use OEM ones. Tom Krynock replaced valve cover gaskets on Dan Mancini’s SVX. DAN provided aftermarket ones he bought from eBay about $20.00 cheaper.

They looked fine, even to Tom. Fit snug as expected. After installing and driving around, they started leaking. The engine heat caused them to become soft and warp. Dan had to buy OEM ones and have the job done all over again.
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R.I.P. 2010 Subaru Outback Limited 2.5 CVT...338,000 miles. Totaled by a 1,300 lb. COW March 4, 2016

2014 Hyundai Avante Limited ...178,000 miles. Actually quieter and smoother than the Outback

2007 Mazda Miata MX-5 PRHT...102,000 miles.
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The actual hydraulic actuator. If the original can be compressed, installed and released without problems, use it. But I would keep a new one on hand in case if the original fails. Return it if you don’t need it and maybe replace it at the next timing belt change.

As for the valve cover gaskets, check them over for leaks when the engine is out of the car. You can tighten any loose ones if necessary.they should be snug, not really tight.

Use OEM ones. Tom Krynock replaced valve cover gaskets on Dan Mancini’s SVX. DAN provided aftermarket ones he bought from eBay about $20.00 cheaper.

They looked fine, even to Tom. Fit snug as expected. After installing and driving around, they started leaking. The engine heat caused them to become soft and warp. Dan had to buy OEM ones and have the job done all over again.
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Actually, the parts from Subaru are like $60 more. The worst culprit are the washers. I wonder if aftermarket is ok for those at least.
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