Who has the lowest mileage SVX?

[shelfy]

and since we're posting actual mileage, you can put mine at 20,911.

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[**Ewie**]

(Update) I've been using mine as my daily driver so she now has ~45,500Kms on the clock, or ~28,300 miles

[SVXTREM]

I'll throw in on this. 21,773

[shelfy]

92: **Ewie** - Pearl White - ~ 26,700 - NZ
92: alanscouse - Pearl White LS - #5917 ~ 29,840 - US

93: jdm - DJW svx - Silver 3-tone - #2295 ~ 50,300 - UK
93: ensteele - Barcelona Red 25th AE - LSL - #164 ~ 58,000 - US

94: brit-tic - Swiss Black over Bordeaux ~ 26,000 - Swiss
94: ensteele - Pearl LSi - #1206 ~ 41,060 - US

95: MadMaxSVX - Brilliant Red L - #008 ~ 48,920 - Paraguay
95: Fancycargal - Polo Green LSi - #1052 ~ 59,500 - US

96: Fzel07wrx - Brilliant Red ~ 15,386 - US

97: Shelfy - Polo Green LSi - #185 ~ 21,000 - US

[NeedForSpeed]

I like this thread,

but, I don't like the fact that people are 'rewarded' for not driving their cars, and the daily drivers get booted off the list for driving. Personally, what more to enjoy than making a low mileage SVX a daily driver. That's what I did when I bought my 92 Claret new, and I don't regret one mile of the 160,000 miles I've enjoyed

How about we keep a 'top-five' list for each year on this thread, as most of the info is here? I would be interested to see a list like that. Then, we could still brag about the lowest 'garage queen' per year, but previous known lows would still be represented and appreciated on the list.

As for the non-US cars, I realize that the cars are not always registered in the 'production year' as usually happens in the States, but isn't that akin to keeping the car in the garage for the first year or two, instead of a few years later? My vote would be to catagorize the cars closer to 'production years'.

One of my JDMs wasn't registered in Japan until '94,
but in my book, its still a '92 MODEL

[svxistentialist]

Originally Posted by NeedForSpeed

I like this thread,

but, I don't like the fact that people are 'rewarded' for not driving their cars, and the daily drivers get booted off the list for driving. Personally, what more to enjoy than making a low mileage SVX a daily driver. That's what I did when I bought my 92 Claret new, and I don't regret one mile of the 160,000 miles I've enjoyed

How about we keep a 'top-five' list for each year on this thread, as most of the info is here? I would be interested to see a list like that. Then, we could still brag about the lowest 'garage queen' per year, but previous known lows would still be represented and appreciated on the list.

As for the non-US cars, I realize that the cars are not always registered in the 'production year' as usually happens in the States, but isn't that akin to keeping the car in the garage for the first year or two, instead of a few years later? My vote would be to catagorize the cars closer to 'production years'.

One of my JDMs wasn't registered in Japan until '94,
but in my book, its still a '92 MODEL

You make good points Ron and as usual I agree with most of them, but I am at the opposite end of the spectrum on this one, both regarding not "rewarding" those with lowest mileage cars or altering the registration date.

The whole point of this thread is to discover where are and who owns the lowest mileage SVXes. By definition this means the cars will have had little use. Everybody likes to see an SVX that has low miles and interior almost like new. Many in fact dream of finding such a car and buying it!

As we want the SVX to be given classic status by collectors, we already know that collectors generally value cars that have had low use, are original and have "matching numbers". This thread does a good job of observing where such cars are, and these will be the most "collectible" cars.

There happens to be another thread dedicated to high mileage achievement SVXes.

Highest mileage SVX

This thread "rewards" or honours those SVXes that have done prolonged and excellent service. Possibly this thread also should be included in the Registration sub-forum?

Regards your point on non-US SVXes having different production years and registration years with the delay between production date and eventual registration, there is a difficulty there all right. This difficulty does also apply to the US though; a lot of SVXes sold as '92 models, the year of biggest sales I think, were actually manufactured in Gunma in the latter half of 1991. How many of those owners will be happy to have their cars now re-classified as '91 Model Year cars?

One of my silver UK cars is first registered in 1995 but I know it was actually manufactured in 1993. I think using the year of first registration as the only preferred differentiator has the benefit of simplicity. It is not feasible to be taking account of the [normal] stockpiling by manufacturers, distributors and dealers when looking at mileage this far down the road.

Joe

[ensteele]

I will work on this and see what I can come up with.

[NeedForSpeed]

Originally Posted by svxistentialist

You make good points Ron and as usual I agree with most of them, but I am at the opposite end of the spectrum on this one, both regarding not "rewarding" those with lowest mileage cars or altering the registration date.

The whole point of this thread is to discover where are and who owns the lowest mileage SVXes. By definition this means the cars will have had little use. Everybody likes to see an SVX that has low miles and interior almost like new. Many in fact dream of finding such a car and buying it!

As we want the SVX to be given classic status by collectors, we already know that collectors generally value cars that have had low use, are original and have "matching numbers". This thread does a good job of observing where such cars are, and these will be the most "collectible" cars.

There happens to be another thread dedicated to high mileage achievement SVXes.

Highest mileage SVX

This thread "rewards" or honours those SVXes that have done prolonged and excellent service. Possibly this thread also should be included in the Registration sub-forum?

Regards your point on non-US SVXes having different production years and registration years with the delay between production date and eventual registration, there is a difficulty there all right. This difficulty does also apply to the US though; a lot of SVXes sold as '92 models, the year of biggest sales I think, were actually manufactured in Gunma in the latter half of 1991. How many of those owners will be happy to have their cars now re-classified as '91 Model Year cars?

One of my silver UK cars is first registered in 1995 but I know it was actually manufactured in 1993. I think using the year of first registration as the only preferred differentiator has the benefit of simplicity. It is not feasible to be taking account of the [normal] stockpiling by manufacturers, distributors and dealers when looking at mileage this far down the road.

Joe

Hi Joe, thanks for your thoughts. To be clear, the thread name is actually, "Who has the lowest mileage SVX?" That is a singular definition, unqualified as to US, etc, and would appear to be a list of ONLY ONE SVX in the world, which isn't really a list at all. The thread expanded to list and include "Who has the lowest mileage 92, 93, etc. SVX?",,, and then, non-US SVX were expanded to the multiple lists.

I believe we should classify the question to APPLIED MODEL, not year, registration year, etc, and list all cars by APPLIED MODEL, in order, up to 100,000 miles, just for interest sake. By looking at the multiple lists, we still have the question answered, “Who has the lowest [known] mileage SVX of ANY APPLIED MODEL, WORLDWIDE”, so, nothing is lost. Better yet, we have a list of "Who has the lowest mileage SVX(es) in the World, by APPLIED MODEL.

As for US SVX, a car is certified by the US Gov [EPA/DOT] for sale in a given model year. According to US standards, models certified for sale as a 92 model can be manufactured in 1991 or 1992. Our brochures, your color charts, etc., clearly show which US models are certified for which year.

Claret, Liquid Silver, Metallic Teal, Pearl White, and Ebony Mica [gray interior], all with motorized belts, all are 1992 models, regardless of 91/92 manufacture date. There are NO 1991 model year SVX in the US, despite production dates, and no US SVX should ever be so classified.

In the US, Barcelona Red with motorized belts and anniversary decal are considered to be the only certified 1993 models, but I can’t say if this car is APPLIED MODEL CXWAY7E [like other 92 LS-L] with different option, trim and paint codes. At this point, I would like to know even more about SVX worldwide, this IS the WORLD Network.

I believe that we should compare apples with apples, so, when discussing, “Who has the lowest mileage SVX”, that should be qualified as to APPLIED MODEL. Then, no need to discuss how many miles per year in an attempt to compare a 92 with a 97, etc., etc., especially since we can't even agree on the qualification year of many SVX.

I agree with you that the thread has evolved into, "The whole point of this thread is to discover where are and who owns the lowest mileage SVXes." I would like to see that evolution include a list of SVX per APPLIED MODEL, including more than one car per Model, up to 100,000 miles.

***BIG EDIT, after realizing how many Applied Models there really are ,

http://www.subaru-svx.net/forum/show...734#post645734 and
http://www.subaru-svx.net/forum/showthread.php?t=54435

I would NOT like to see this thread prioritized to Applied Models, only to a realistic Model Year, and the list to include the lowest mileage up to 100,000****

I am curious now, how many Applied Models were produced, let's use the other two threads for that.

Ron

[NeedForSpeed]

Originally Posted by ensteele

I will work on this and see what I can come up with.

Earl,

What do you think, declare a winner on this thread, updated each January,

Then make another thread with each year from 92-97, several listed per year in priority order, perhaps separate RHD for LHD, or US vs. non-US? Interested to see what you come up with

[svxistentialist]

Originally Posted by NeedForSpeed

Earl,

What do you think, declare a winner on this thread, updated each January,

Then make another thread with each year from 92-97, several listed per year in priority order, perhaps separate RHD for LHD, or US vs. non-US? Interested to see what you come up with

Ron, I see you have revised your earlier post due to the large number of largely unknown Applied Model Codes. I'm glad you see the sense.

When the thread was young we realised it would be difficult to restrict it to one car, so we expanded for reasons already noted. There was another restriction not mentioned here; we only deal with cars owned by SVX Network members or SVX World Forum members, purely because we needed the information submitted and verified from these members.

Just as a for instance, we are aware of some extremely low mileage cars in K Staff in Japan. We don't include these because we don't know the owners, they are not members.

I don't know if you are aware of it but the current plan is for all cars having low mileage recognition [for each year] they must submit updated mileage every January to retain the position. Your plan would work well with this annual data input, one car would be the lowest, and that car's details listed in bold

Your idea for separating LHD from RHD I am less sure about. The whole idea, well part of the idea is to preserve some coherence to the world wide dimension of the Network. Hiving off the smaller markets might have a negative effect. But maybe not, who knows?

Joe

[NeedForSpeed]

Originally Posted by svxistentialist

Ron, I see you have revised your earlier post due to the large number of largely unknown Applied Model Codes. I'm glad you see the sense.

When the thread was young we realised it would be difficult to restrict it to one car, so we expanded for reasons already noted. There was another restriction not mentioned here; we only deal with cars owned by SVX Network members or SVX World Forum members, purely because we needed the information submitted and verified from these members.

Just as a for instance, we are aware of some extremely low mileage cars in K Staff in Japan. We don't include these because we don't know the owners, they are not members.

I don't know if you are aware of it but the current plan is for all cars having low mileage recognition [for each year] they must submit updated mileage every January to retain the position. Your plan would work well with this annual data input, one car would be the lowest, and that car's details listed in bold

Your idea for separating LHD from RHD I am less sure about. The whole idea, well part of the idea is to preserve some coherence to the world wide dimension of the Network. Hiving off the smaller markets might have a negative effect. But maybe not, who knows?

Joe

I'm not bent on listing LHD separate from RHD, and would prefer to see a master list from any market, but I'm not excited about registration dates used as a criteria for determining the year of non-US cars for such lists.

Darren stated that his V-L was first registered in '94, same with my Pearl V-L de-reg document. So, how do we list those, as '94s? My vote would be VE and VL are all '92. Now, how do you list the S40, S40II, S3, S4 as for year? It seems that either the S40 or S40II was an anniversary car, does that correlate with our red 93? How do we list the UK/Euro/AU cars?

I'm glad to see the renewed excitement on all this, it needed a 'bump'

[ensteele]

Yes, I am glad others are now interested in this. Joe and I have been moving along at a snails pace trying to get the info and most members don't give us any info let along give us wha we need to do for this project. That is why I came up with a badge to get some of the members interested in give us their info.

[svxistentialist]

Originally Posted by NeedForSpeed

I'm not bent on listing LHD separate from RHD, and would prefer to see a master list from any market, but I'm not excited about registration dates used as a criteria for determining the year of non-US cars for such lists.

Darren stated that his V-L was first registered in '94, same with my Pearl V-L de-reg document. So, how do we list those, as '94s? My vote would be VE and VL are all '92. Now, how do you list the S40, S40II, S3, S4 as for year? It seems that either the S40 or S40II was an anniversary car, does that correlate with our red 93? How do we list the UK/Euro/AU cars?

I'm glad to see the renewed excitement on all this, it needed a 'bump'

I'm delighted to see it bumped along as well. The more people working on it the more comprehensive we can make it.

Ron, I mentioned earlier that we opted for the year of first registration for the simplicity of it. In a world full of varying legislations and systems of registration, the year of first registration would be the only common legal dating system that would be applicable world wide. A dated and objective criterion common to all jurisdictions.

Any other method would involve tinkering with dates that would possibly work for one jurisdiction, then create anomalies in another. Again I'm back to taking a holistic and inclusive world view on the SVX.

Can you explain a bit more on why you are willing to accept to the letter the US system of defining for instance 91 and 92 year production cars as 92 Model Years, yet you feel the need to alter other countries system of registration [usually date of first registration for road use] by backdating to the year of production?

You may not be aware of this fact but both the UK and Ireland's [ 2 different jurisdictions] system of registration for second hand imports is to register the year of the cars as the same date on the ownership document [you would call it the pink slip] as it was originally registered in the country of origin. This implies that Darren's Version L was originally registered in Japan as a 1994 car. Yet we know that production stopped on Version L cars in Sept 1992.

We also hear of S4 cars registered in Japan in 1998, yet we know production of this model stopped in Nov 1996.

Why do you feel a need to reset the rest of the world cars back to production dates, yet leave the US system as it is? That is more complicated than it need be, surely?

I'm for sticking with the birthdate of the cars being the date of first registration in the country of origin. It is legally accepted in all markets and jurisdictions and is non subjective.

Joe

[NeedForSpeed]

Originally Posted by svxistentialist

I'm delighted to see it bumped along as well. The more people working on it the more comprehensive we can make it.

Ron, I mentioned earlier that we opted for the year of first registration for the simplicity of it. In a world full of varying legislations and systems of registration, the year of first registration would be the only common legal dating system that would be applicable world wide. A dated and objective criterion common to all jurisdictions.

Any other method would involve tinkering with dates that would possibly work for one jurisdiction, then create anomalies in another. Again I'm back to taking a holistic and inclusive world view on the SVX.

Can you explain a bit more on why you are willing to accept to the letter the US system of defining for instance 91 and 92 year production cars as 92 Model Years, yet you feel the need to alter other countries system of registration [usually date of first registration for road use] by backdating to the year of production?

You may not be aware of this fact but both the UK and Ireland's [ 2 different jurisdictions] system of registration for second hand imports is to register the year of the cars as the same date on the ownership document [you would call it the pink slip] as it was originally registered in the country of origin. This implies that Darren's Version L was originally registered in Japan as a 1994 car. Yet we know that production stopped on Version L cars in Sept 1992.

We also hear of S4 cars registered in Japan in 1998, yet we know production of this model stopped in Nov 1996.

Why do you feel a need to reset the rest of the world cars back to production dates, yet leave the US system as it is? That is more complicated than it need be, surely?

I'm for sticking with the birthdate of the cars being the date of first registration in the country of origin. It is legally accepted in all markets and jurisdictions and is non subjective.

Joe

Hi Joe,

You see my suggestion as complicated, I see it as simple, at least for our jurisdiction.

I am the original owner of a '92 Claret, purchased in January 93, and registered in January 1993. I don't have the 'window sticker' in front of me, but I'm guessing the car is labeled and certified as a '92 model.
So, I guess I have a '93

Now, Earl may object to that, as I myself do. It is my belief that a US 93 is Barcelona Red, an anniversary edition.

Further, one of my VLs was first registered in '94 in Asia, first registered and MOT in Europe in 2005, and first registered in America in 2010. That's three continents!!!, and I'm not sure about the other one. So, how confusing is that?

"There's more, do you want to hear it?" I have two SVX, both EPA-certified for the first time in 2010, both first registered in 2010 as 'new' models!

Now isn't that great, I have one '93 Claret Subaru SVX, one '10 Pearl Alcyone SVX and one '10 Ebony Alcyone SXV.
Ok, I give in, I have the only two 2010 SVXes in the WORLD

[ensteele]

Originally Posted by NeedForSpeed

Hi Joe,

You see my suggestion as complicated, I see it as simple, at least for our jurisdiction.

I am the original owner of a '92 Claret, purchased in January 93, and registered in January 1993. I don't have the 'window sticker' in front of me, but I'm guessing the car is labeled and certified as a '92 model.
So, I guess I have a '93

Now, Earl may object to that, as I myself do. It is my belief that a US 93 is Barcelona Red, an anniversary edition.

Further, one of my VLs was first registered in '94 in Asia, first registered and MOT in Europe in 2005, and first registered in America in 2010. That's three continents!!!, and I'm not sure about the other one. So, how confusing is that?

"There's more, do you want to hear it?" I have two SVX, both EPA-certified for the first time in 2010, both first registered in 2010 as 'new' models!

Now isn't that great, I have one '93 Claret Subaru SVX, one '10 Pearl Alcyone SVX and one '10 Ebony Alcyone SXV.
Ok, I give in, I have the only two 2010 SVXes in the WORLD

You need to look at the VIN to see what year it is. That way there is no question of what year it is.