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Bottom line...the vette is cheaper and still won the comparo. AND it will hold it's value just as much as the porsche, not to mention it will cost alot less to fix all around. Quote:
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For the record, I'm not dead.
I also happen to have a Mustang, a 2001 Cobra convertible to be exact. I gotta tell ya, its probably the biggest piece of crap I've ever driven. Clutch fork twice (not a disk,bearing or "bad-stick-driver item", but the fork), both cylinders for the convertible top, the HVAC controls, blower motor, right-front shock, alternator, the little rubber seal thingy between the body and rear window (it's rivet-ed on!), and a fog light. All before the warranty expired at 36000. Oh yeah, and the stock tires needed to be replaced at 20k (never rotated, the all wore evenly) I don't care how good the new one looks, I'd rather push an SVX than drive another Mustang. Well, maybe one with a blower - elvis |
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shadow... why do you always have to shoot yourself in the foot when making points??
first of all, landshark made a good point. the corvette will (hopefully) always be the less expensive, more for your $$ kinda car. but comparing performance.. the porsche won. deal and i'd like to see numbers on the corvettes holding there value.. i just saw a 93 vette for sale for like 8 grand. second of all, the cobalt = grocery getter. yeah, you'll get some people wanting it for performance, but think about the demographic buying those cars. so they'll buy the faster srt4... your arguement of "the cobalt will have more options" is negated by the fact that its slower. where as the cobalt will be faster than other cars, that have more options.. its all give and take. doesn't make one car "THE BEST" vs others
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what's the next comparison, a BMW M5 vs. a Dodge Stratus? they are both sedans, right?
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my point was, the comparison was stupid. a 400hp Vette vs. a 315hp 911. i think the next comparo should be the 360hp Ford Lightning vs. the 175hp Chevy Colorado. late '80's 911Turbos are $30K+, how much are Vettes, like $5k? keep dreamin' if you think that C6 is gonna be worth much in 10 years or so. come spring, they'll be a dime-a-dozen around here.
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At least Corvettes don't have rust problems
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What we've got here, is a good debate. Personally, I prefer the Mustang over the Vette. I really hate the new styling of the Corvette. The rear end and the headlights really turn me off. The C5 generation is much better, in my opinion.
To the guy who said Ford is crap because they're styling toward retro: Yeah, they are and it works. Look at when Chrysler released the PT Cruiser. They couldn't keep it in the showrooms. The Thunderbird was a good seller for Ford as well. Now, the Vette still remains very, very similar to the original 60's Corvette. Same shape and styling. The new Mustang has sold well thus far and probably will because people like the retro styling of the car. Even Dodge is getting on. The new Charger looks similar to the old charger with the grille and paint schemes. It's still a four-door Magnum with a trunk versus the stationwagon. And the ultimate retro styling modern auto? The VW Beetle. Very good seller. Point is: it works. As for sports cars, for the average middle income family who can afford a sports car, the Mustang is a great value. Lots of power yet it's still versatile enough to run groceries or errands. How many poeple would really run errands with a Ferrari 360 Modena or Ford GT and then leave the car parked in the lot while they're in the store?
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Subaru should go retro with 360 styling.
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BTW, if you really can get a Vette in your area THAT cheap, please let me know where exactly. I want one. Quote:
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i've driven Corvettes, and i've driven Porsches. i know why the Corvette is cheap, and why the Porsche is expensive. just be glad there IS a Corvette, because GM nearly blew the C5 program due to the w-body disaster back in the late 80's.
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Sidewinder, you might want to rethink the T-Bird comment. They sold to the intial demand, people who just had to have one, then demand dried up. Nobody wants them anymore and production is scheduled for termination. The PT Cruiser sold like hot cakes, then Chrysler got greedy and started making them 3 shifts a day. The result? $5k give backs to get them off the lots. You can't oversell niche vehicles.
As for Vette vs 911, I agree with Alan in that it's apples to oranges, and with shadow that in pure bang for buck the Vette knows no competitor. As for the GT ford, it is featured in Automobile Magazine with the SLR McLaren, Lambo, and Carrera GT. The Porsche was rated best overall (no surprise) and they liked the ford alot. It cost ALOT less then the other three, but even at $140k ford quality blows! The roof/door opening leaked water onto the seats. hahahahahahahah |
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I said the ZR1 COULD fetch 100g's. Besides, the example you gave me has two accidents on it's record. You'll have to do better than that. Quote:
The Z06's computer estimated 0-60 was 3.6 seconds. That's based on the factory 515hp rating. As with all GM sports cars, we expect the Vette to be grossly underrated - the 400hp rated Z51 puts out 380-390 at the wheels, so it should be rated more in the 420-430hp range. That will have to wait until the ZO6 comes out, but following the trend, we should see 510hp or better to the WHEELS...which would be nearly 550hp crank. I'm betting 0-60 in 3.5. I'm not trying to say that the Porsche and the Vette are the exact same car at heart. I'll agree they really are quite different. But I don't see a problem with comparing the two...they were built with the same mission - performance and style. The 911 and Vette have been compared on manyp occasions in the past. Even C&D said they've been doing it for 20 years. Quote:
BTW, using the "bang for the buck" argument only makes the Porsche look worse. Showing that you are getting no more for alot more money. |
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Shadow, I think you missed my point. I was agreeing with you on the price issue. That is not an excuse, just a truth, you get more performance for the money with the Vette. As for the two cars both being 2 seat sports cars, what Allen was saying was that they are shopped by different clientel. Most 911 people never looked at the Vette regardless of performance. just as most Vette buyers never considered the 911, even if they could afford it.
On a side note, I wish Porsche hadn't cancelled a resurection of the 928 style front engine V-8 GT. A new one with the Cayenne Turbo motor would be stellar!!!! |
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