The Boeing never hit the pentagon.....

[SVXphile]

Thumper has made some excellent points. I have followed the theme of this thread on the web for quite some time. Some ideas are very interesting....most are easily explained. Was it Sagan that said "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof".

My wife worked at the Pentagon. It is not the WTC. Lower and much more solidly constructed. In fact, the area of impact had been recently been part of a renovation.

Wasn't that aircraft....like all the others....tracked on radar? Back across my home state of West Virginia directly to D.C.? Unlike the White House....hidden by trees....the Pentagon sticks out along the Potomac like the giant building that it is. It could have been seen at a distance and hit at high speed....or slow, if the novice terrorist pilot wanted to pick his spot.

Wasn't that the direction the Pennsylvania plane was headed?

Didn't the survivors within the building report the overwhelming odor of aviation fuel?

To me, the REAL puzzle is the collapse of World Trade Building 7.
I have yet to read an explanation of that one. If anyone has
heard an explanation, I'd love to hear it.

In closing.....4 planes controlled by hijackers. Two hit their targets on video. One didn't make it due to the heroism of the passengers. Why is there doubt about fourth? It makes no sense that the hijackers create 3 impacts.....and WE (fill in the blank) create the last one.

Don

[manofmayo]

Originally posted by BoondockSVX


I think the current prius is pretty cool. It might not be a blast to drive, but I think it has a cool 'jetsons' style to it.

I sorta like the Honda Insight.....in an odd sort of way

[NapaBavarian]

I go away for 3 days, and look what happens to the little thread here

[n00b on demand]

Originally posted by manofmayo



I sorta like the Honda Insight.....in an odd sort of way

the insight is a hideous car. The prius is alot better IMO.

[drivemusicnow]

right now we have the longest oil supply in history.. over 40 years... no impending oil crisis. Sorry

[dcarrb]

Originally posted by PA_SVX
If GM decides it will only sell high milage cars, people will buy from ford.

Which is why we need tougher federal fuel economy standards.

Originally posted by PA_SVX
That's how free market works.

Which is why we're in the pickle we're in over petroleum.

dcb

[Royal Tiger]

Darrell I agree that the oil won't run on forever, but real change will be tough, an no one, Republican or Democrat, will want to make that change as the backlash will be brutal. Say the U.S. says Cars need to have a 32 CAFE and Trucks have to hit 28 CAFE. The manufactors will not want to lose the large markup they make on trucks and SUV's, people have shown they want these vehicles, so to reach the limits, they cut production of trucks and make more small cars, a small percentage of consumers want. This increases the CAFE, but let's look at what happens. No one buys the small cars, causing lower sales, bigger rebates that must be made up somewhere else. The trucks ane now available in fewer numbers to keep the CAFE average up, so they increase in price. Less sales mean cut backs in labor, which mean layoffs, which draws more money out of unemployment, and more off shore construction which has a lower unit cost. When profits dry up, why wouldn't ford have cars made in China for 1/6th of what it costs to make a car here? It's not as easy to just throw out CAFE numbers and things will go on the same as before.

[GreenMarine]

Originally posted by thumper_svx
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Finally, there's the "whoosh" that sounded like a missile "... not like a plane at all..." as the flash quotes. Well, honestly... raise your hands... how many of you have actually stood 100 feet away from a jet engine at full throttle? ...........

I've had the pleasure (was it really a pleasure??? ) Of stangine about 30 feet from F-18's and F-14's as they took off from the Flight deck from the USS Harry S Truman. The noise that those planes generate at 80% is staggering! (80 to 100% is what is refered to as "military power"). When they go to 100% (Not afterburner) it gets worse!!! I remember the feeling. It is so loud that I remember feeling like I was gonna throw up... This is with double hearing protection on too. I had ear plugs and ear muffs on... That sort of noise doesn't travel through your ears, It travels through your whole body and still vibrates your ear drum internally. When the F-18's get launched off the Aircraft carrier, they are at full burner (110%). That is by far the loudest sound I have ever heard in my whole life. Just knowing if I were to remove my earmuffs at that moment would brobably have caused perminant hearing damage and possible cause me to bleed from the ears That would really have sucked.... But I'm glad that everything worked the way it was suppose to...

As for weather it was a plane or a missile that struck the pentagon or not..... The truth is Classified..... But let me tell you that there are missiles in the US arsonel that have the ability to punch through 6 ft of solid concrete. Form whatever oppinions ya want, but I'll leave it at that

[Mr. Pockets]

I haven't kept up on this thread, but I did run a search for the following link and did not find it.

http://www.snopes.com/rumors/pentagon.htm

[Motorsport-SVX]

to the original post is:

whatever they may say, what is the motive? Why would they lie about that? Where are the people on the plane then? Where is the plane?

[drivemusicnow]

... I'll bring up the oil supply thing again.. cause it was kinda washed over.. THERE IS NO OIL CRISIS. The world has a 40 year supply of oil, which is more than ever before... oil running out isn't going to happen, so the best reason for this war as of yet is oil prices... think about that

[Mr. Pockets]

What I find alarming is that you think a 40 year supply is a good enough reserve for something so important.

40 years is not a long time.

Originally posted by Mr. Pockets
What I find alarming is that you think a 40 year supply is a good enough reserve for something so important.

40 years is not a long time.

It's always been like that. The 'reserve' is how much oil left if we do not find any additional oil whatsoever. But we're always finding more. I think we can call it desperate when they start drilling in siberia, since that's supposedly a very oil rich land, just hard to transfer the goods.

- Jim

[Andy]

This site makes some interesting reading on the subject

http://www.oilcrisis.com/

[Andy]

Even CNN are in on it

http://edition.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/eu...lobal.warming/