The Situation in the Middle East

[lhopp77]

Originally Posted by Electrophil

I agree! It's all about the constitution! But we need to get people up there that will honor it and leave it alone. All this mixing of church and state by this lunactic up there is allowing a bunch of fanactics to decide who they want to live or die.

"Mixing church and state"?? I believe this is what the Constitution actually says: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

It also says: "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

I see nothing in this that precludes for example, prayer in schools as long as that is what the majority wants and that all religions are represented with equal time (or non religions for that matter). Also, I see nothing that precludes religious observances on state or federal property--again as long as the government does not place restrictions on any particular religion unless it violates other federal or state laws, such as incitement to riot or subversion.

This was obviously directed at precluding the government from having a STATE Religion such as the Church of England or the Catholic Church or even something like the Muslim State governments in the middle east. It was not directing at something like having the word "GOD" in the Boy Scout Oath. All civilizations have some type of "GOD". This not a specific religious term. These is just a few examples that I believe were intended and I also believe are what Bush believes in. He is NOT trying to force religion on anyone. He is just trying to keep super liberals from PRECLUDING what was intended by the Constitution.

I full agree that any religion can be a terrible governing body--no matter what the religion, but conversely the free recognition of religious expression or other aspects by groups or individuals are full supported by the constitution--even in the work place or public forums.

Just my humble opinions.

Lee

Freedom is NOT Free

[Electrophil]

Originally Posted by lhopp77

You make me laugh---FOX news is the ONLY news that provides spokesman for BOTH sides of the issue in nearly ALL cases. I don't like to hear the liberals on FOX spout from the daily talking notes, but at least I do get that side of the issue. All other channels and MOST printed media do not REPORT news, they EDITORIALIZE it. If you cannot watch FOX news, then you don't want fair and balanced reporting with opinions from both sides represented in real time with spokesman from both sides.

Lee

"Freedom is NOT free"

Fair and Balanced Reporting is NOT having Hannity reporting how many days before Bush is re-elected 9 months before the voting happened, and continuing on until he is re-elected. Fox is biased to the very core of their souls. I watch them all, and they are puppets. Speaking of Hannity and Colmes. Notice how the cast the democrat on this show? Think maybe that was done on purpose? There's lots of strong liberals out there, and he isn't one of them.

Here lately, they have gotten a little better on coming to the middle, but then they see the consistant corruption, and the 36 percent approvals. They know their days are numbered, and are adjusting. Too late for me, I know they aren't journalists, they are puppets... and it doesn't matter to me which side they want to be puppets for. They aren't trustworthy to get current events from.

[lhopp77]

You forgot to mention that super liberal Combs is on at the same time. Remember--the news segment is Hannity AND Combs. THAT is balanced reporting.

Lee

[Electrophil]

Originally Posted by lhopp77

You forgot to mention that super liberal Combs is on at the same time. Remember--the news segment is Hannity AND Combs. THAT is balanced reporting.

Lee

But Combs is a weak idiot. Of course they casted him. He barely says anything and when he does, he mutters something out. They intentionally casted him to give the illusion. And that's what Fox news is. It's an illusion of the news given from a conservative point.

If there is something important happening politically against the republicans, and they can't counter it, what do they do? They run off to reporting about some rich kid that was killed in some island. And with this administration, they have had to play that end round a lot! It's fake news. It's like the Daily show, but it's not funny.

[Uncamitzi]

I’ve read this entire thread up to this point. I’ve been quiet here for quite a while for a number of reasons. None of which I will go into now.

If any of you think that the President of the United States is solely responsible for the state of our foreign affairs or policy you need to do a bit more reading and less TV watching. It doesn’t matter who the President is… He is a figurehead, a face that we paint (a mask) on for the rest of the world. If you spent more time worrying about whom you are electing to your local school board and state legislators, and investigating the judges and district attorneys in your cities, then we would have a more enlightened electorate and they would have stronger influence on that image that the rest of the world is looking at. (Now, there’s a sentence)

A smart electorate would not have stood for a Nixon, Johnson, Ford, Clinton, Carter, Bush(s) blunder laden attempt at foreign diplomacy. Improve your schools. Your kids will have to fix what we have done to the country and the world. We can’t tell them how to do it but we can give them the tools to find out.

As to the state of the ME… It’s a mess. People hate other people for reasons that are lost in antiquity.. Religion seems to bring out extremists. As long as people believe that a god interferes with daily life, religion will always have people that think that a god has told them the “truth” and other people will believe them…

These books (the Koran and the Bible) can be traced to ancient myths and stories and to a group of people sitting in a room (in the not to distant past) and deciding which writings will go where and which sections will be left out. All of these so-called religious books are contradictory and can be interpreted at a whim, as the original writers are dead.

It doesn’t matter what you believe happens to you and yours when you die. If you live your life by not lying, cheating or stealing and the golden rule (you know, the one that says “treat others as you would have others treat you”) and be aware of how your daily actions affect the people around you, is your “god” going to send you to hell?

OK… I’m done for now…

[Noir]

Originally Posted by Uncamitzi

is your “god” going to send you to hell?

OK… I’m done for now…

yes and i can't wait to get there!

[Landshark]

Originally Posted by Uncamitzi

I’ve read this entire thread up to this point. I’ve been quiet here for quite a while for a number of reasons. None of which I will go into now.

If any of you think that the President of the United States is solely responsible for the state of our foreign affairs or policy you need to do a bit more reading and less TV watching. It doesn’t matter who the President is… He is a figurehead, a face that we paint (a mask) on for the rest of the world. If you spent more time worrying about whom you are electing to your local school board and state legislators, and investigating the judges and district attorneys in your cities, then we would have a more enlightened electorate and they would have stronger influence on that image that the rest of the world is looking at. (Now, there’s a sentence)

A smart electorate would not have stood for a Nixon, Johnson, Ford, Clinton, Carter, Bush(s) blunder laden attempt at foreign diplomacy. Improve your schools. Your kids will have to fix what we have done to the country and the world. We can’t tell them how to do it but we can give them the tools to find out.

As to the state of the ME… It’s a mess. People hate other people for reasons that are lost in antiquity.. Religion seems to bring out extremists. As long as people believe that a god interferes with daily life, religion will always have people that think that a god has told them the “truth” and other people will believe them…

These books (the Koran and the Bible) can be traced to ancient myths and stories and to a group of people sitting in a room (in the not to distant past) and deciding which writings will go where and which sections will be left out. All of these so-called religious books are contradictory and can be interpreted at a whim, as the original writers are dead.

It doesn’t matter what you believe happens to you and yours when you die. If you live your life by not lying, cheating or stealing and the golden rule (you know, the one that says “treat others as you would have others treat you”) and be aware of how your daily actions affect the people around you, is your “god” going to send you to hell?

OK… I’m done for now…

best post in the thread <golfclap>

[Landshark]

Originally Posted by Noir

yes and i can't wait to get there!

the Debbil told me about the hell he has reserved for you:
no oats and sugarcubes, no porn, skateboarding is not allowed, and you get to listen to Chicaboonchi and Shadow argue about Neons and Trans Ams until the end of time.....

[SilverSpear]

Ok guys enough.....







































HIJACKING MY THREAD !!!!!!!!!!!!!















Naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa, Just Kidding

[Red SVX 92]

Originally Posted by Uncamitzi

I’ve read this entire thread up to this point. I’ve been quiet here for quite a while for a number of reasons. None of which I will go into now.

If any of you think that the President of the United States is solely responsible for the state of our foreign affairs or policy you need to do a bit more reading and less TV watching. It doesn’t matter who the President is… He is a figurehead, a face that we paint (a mask) on for the rest of the world. If you spent more time worrying about whom you are electing to your local school board and state legislators, and investigating the judges and district attorneys in your cities, then we would have a more enlightened electorate and they would have stronger influence on that image that the rest of the world is looking at. (Now, there’s a sentence)

A smart electorate would not have stood for a Nixon, Johnson, Ford, Clinton, Carter, Bush(s) blunder laden attempt at foreign diplomacy. Improve your schools. Your kids will have to fix what we have done to the country and the world. We can’t tell them how to do it but we can give them the tools to find out.

As to the state of the ME… It’s a mess. People hate other people for reasons that are lost in antiquity.. Religion seems to bring out extremists. As long as people believe that a god interferes with daily life, religion will always have people that think that a god has told them the “truth” and other people will believe them…

These books (the Koran and the Bible) can be traced to ancient myths and stories and to a group of people sitting in a room (in the not to distant past) and deciding which writings will go where and which sections will be left out. All of these so-called religious books are contradictory and can be interpreted at a whim, as the original writers are dead.

It doesn’t matter what you believe happens to you and yours when you die. If you live your life by not lying, cheating or stealing and the golden rule (you know, the one that says “treat others as you would have others treat you”) and be aware of how your daily actions affect the people around you, is your “god” going to send you to hell?

OK… I’m done for now…

I love you, man. lol. You said what I didn't want to say about religion.

And I dislike Bush, but I think that he was the lesser of two evils. I don't like Homeland Security, and I support the right to carry arms and have abortions. I'm not a fan of losing any civil rights.

[lhopp77]

Originally Posted by Uncamitzi

I’ve read this entire thread up to this point. I’ve been quiet here for quite a while for a number of reasons. None of which I will go into now.

If any of you think that the President of the United States is solely responsible for the state of our foreign affairs or policy you need to do a bit more reading and less TV watching. It doesn’t matter who the President is… He is a figurehead, a face that we paint (a mask) on for the rest of the world. If you spent more time worrying about whom you are electing to your local school board and state legislators, and investigating the judges and district attorneys in your cities, then we would have a more enlightened electorate and they would have stronger influence on that image that the rest of the world is looking at. (Now, there’s a sentence)

A smart electorate would not have stood for a Nixon, Johnson, Ford, Clinton, Carter, Bush(s) blunder laden attempt at foreign diplomacy. Improve your schools. Your kids will have to fix what we have done to the country and the world. We can’t tell them how to do it but we can give them the tools to find out.

As to the state of the ME… It’s a mess. People hate other people for reasons that are lost in antiquity.. Religion seems to bring out extremists. As long as people believe that a god interferes with daily life, religion will always have people that think that a god has told them the “truth” and other people will believe them…

These books (the Koran and the Bible) can be traced to ancient myths and stories and to a group of people sitting in a room (in the not to distant past) and deciding which writings will go where and which sections will be left out. All of these so-called religious books are contradictory and can be interpreted at a whim, as the original writers are dead.

It doesn’t matter what you believe happens to you and yours when you die. If you live your life by not lying, cheating or stealing and the golden rule (you know, the one that says “treat others as you would have others treat you”) and be aware of how your daily actions affect the people around you, is your “god” going to send you to hell?

OK… I’m done for now…

This is a good and thought provoking post. I agree with much of it. Maybe in someways a little different than you intended. We do need to start at the bottom in our schools and local governments. Our schools are disorganized, undisciplined and disoriented institutions. We have lost the basic principles needed to mold societies future leaders. We no longer teach or exercise discipline in passing on the skills our children need. There is too much emphasis on sports and the arts. There should be more emphasis on hard skills needed to advance our civilization and the communications skills to make it possible. I am not against sports or art, but they should not be significant concerns.

We do not read enough and we do watch too much TV. Even I watch to much TV, but at least where it comes to information I watch MULTIPLE channels in order to get a broad prospective. I am a conservative, but I am not afraid to watch blatantly liberal media. Reading provokes much more thought.

I might modify your presidential list somewhat, but generally agree. However, the alternatives were even worse.

Organized religion can be more of a problem than a solution as we see frequently. The teachings in both the Koran and Bible are good, but extreme interpretation by religious leaders can make them a weapon against nonbelievers instead. I believe in God and do read the Bible, but I do not attend church for some of the reasons you specified.

Lee

Freedom is NOT Free

[Noir]

Originally Posted by lhopp77

We do need to start at the bottom in our schools and local governments. Our schools are disorganized, undisciplined and disoriented institutions. We have lost the basic principles needed to mold societies future leaders.

a-freaking-men! however, we haven't lost the basic principles, we've chosen to mold lemmings instead of leaders.

Originally Posted by lhopp77

We no longer teach or exercise discipline in passing on the skills our children need because that responsibility should be the job of Uncle Sam. There is too much emphasis on sports and the arts. There should be more emphasis on hard skills needed to advance our civilization and the communications skills to make it possible. Then again: why should we have to since they'll always be those select few that slave to advance teh civilization? We can just sit back and let them do their thing. I am not against sports or art, but they should not be significant concerns.

fixxored

Originally Posted by lhopp77

We do not read enough and we do watch too much TV. Even I watch to much TV, but at least where it comes to information I watch MULTIPLE channels in order to get a broad prospective. I am a conservative, but I am not afraid to watch blatantly liberal media. Reading provokes much more thought.

Too many words. <-- that's the chosen excuse by most who prefers TV to books.

Originally Posted by lhopp77

Organized religion can be more of a problem than a solution as we see frequently. The teachings in both the Koran and Bible are good, but extreme interpretation by religious leaders can make them a weapon against nonbelievers instead. I believe in God and do read the Bible, but I do not attend church for some of the reasons you specified.

'Organized religion' That's the key. Like you say, religion in itself isn't bad. It's the dumbasses who chose to use religion and it's followers for their own purpose that's bad.

[Noir]

Originally Posted by Landshark

the Debbil told me about the hell he has reserved for you:
no oats and sugarcubes, no porn, skateboarding is not allowed, and you get to listen to Chicaboonchi and Shadow argue about Neons and Trans Ams until the end of time.....

he told you that because i traded all that up to ensure your seat between Chicaboonchi and Shadow.

your seat is reserved. have a nice Eternity.

[Landshark]

Originally Posted by Noir

he told you that because i traded all that up to ensure your seat between Chicaboonchi and Shadow.

your seat is reserved. have a nice Eternity.

oh, i'll be there - spending your hard-saved money!

[Electrophil]

We need a "My political opinion is better than yours" section. I'm getting lost on which one I'm posting to.