BULK Buy on FrozenRotors

Hey

I am wondering if ANY is interested in NEW GOOD Brakes/Pads.

http://www.frozenrotors.com/frozenrotors.shtml

I Spoke with Bill Groschen, President

Thsi is what he told me.

We have been producing FrozenRotors since 1996. More than 70,000 to date. Mostly in the past to race cars owners and over the last several years on everything from go carts to the Chicago EL trains, Fire trucks etc. We use rotors from North America (Canada, USA & Mexico mostly) Brembo has a very large facility in Mexico. We attempt to use Brembo's whenever available.

We have had very poor luck in the past with Chinese and South American Rotors. Aparently those two countries do not have very good casting processes. We have weighed Chinese and SA rotors and found them to be much lighter than NA or Japanese Made rotors. These are rotors for the same application(Vehicle), same Dia, thickness, vane structure, hat size etc. In some cases these rotors were as much as 2.5 lbs lighter on a 17lb rotor. That tells me there are significant voids or less density in the casting.

If you are shopping for price, ART might be your answer. If you are shopping for quality, you will not find any Cryo company that has better rotors or more applications than Diversified Cryogenics.

Regards drilling of rotors: Drilled rotors from any manufacturer -Porsche Included- will always crack sooner than a plain rotor or a slotted rotor. Our motto to our customers is ,"Drill for Looks, Slot for performance". If you ever go to the Daytona 24 hour race and look at the rotors on every car there you will see 95% of them have slotted rotors except on many of the Porsches and that is because Porsche drills all their rotors and that is all you can buy unless you want to custom manufacture your own(Very expensive) . Drilled rotors are said to "cool" better. I can agree for the first two laps after which the holes fill up with brake pad material. There is no air flow after that unless you take a drill bit and poke the pad material out of each hole front and back after each run. We sell many rotors to the Porsche and BMW Club Racers. They always ask for slotted rotors. Drilled and slotted rotors we call cabbage shredders. They do a number on pads.

"FrozenRotors"(R) was the first Cryogenically treated rotors to carry a brand name in the industry. I believe we are the largest volume wise as well.

Cheers,
Bill Groschen
President

Then I ask him:
Mr. Groschen,

Do you allow bulk buys? Discounts for quantity?

His Reply was:
Mike,
Sure thing. Can Do. Need to order total of 16 to 30 rotors for a 20% discount. Can you get that many guys together at one time. We can probably do a better deal on pads in a group buy as well.


This is what he priced to me...before any discounts.

Front FrozenRotors $147.00 each
Rear " " $124.90 each
Front pads street $ 65.00 the set
Rear Pads street $ 63.00 the set
Slotting of rotors if desired $ 45.00 each OR
Drilling " " " " $ 60.00 each (Not recommended except for show cars.
Freight (est) $ 8.00 per rotor UPS GND

Well any takers?

Thanks

[manofmayo]

Why is the web price cheaper than the prices you were quoted?

Front Rotors: $108
Rear Rotors: $118.40

I will ask Bill the President..... You know....maybe prices went up... maybe the have not changed the website or maybe Bill is not talking to sales as much as he should be.

These seem high, but if they are very good quality...it maybe worth not having to do brakes except ever 100 to 150k

Long term it could pay off.

[RSVX]

He trashed ART, with whom I have had ZERO problems on their Rotors...

I dont like him already.

Chris, How did they TRASH ART?
He only said : If you are shopping for price, ART might be your answer.

He did not say they were bad.
Did they?

Thanks, Mike

Originally posted by RSVX
He trashed ART, with whom I have had ZERO problems on their Rotors...

I dont like him already.

[RSVX]

If you are shopping for price, ART might be your answer. If you are shopping for quality, you will not find any Cryo company that has better rotors or more applications than Diversified Cryogenics.

The statement directly after, where he states that his rotors are quality, implies that ART's are NOT. Especially when coupled with the entire first two paragraphs. Sure he doesnt come right out and say it... but its damn sure implied.

[mbtoloczko]

Higher cost may be due to the recent large increases in the price of steel.

[RSVX]

Originally posted by mbtoloczko
Higher cost may be due to the recent large increases in the price of oil.

FIXT!!

[mbtoloczko]

Originally posted by RSVX


FIXT!!

Actually, I did mean steel. There is a world-wide shortage of it due to recent increases in construction rates in developing countries such as China. The price has risen 50% since the start of the year. There is some recent news though that the price has peaked and may be coming down.

So it appears that it now costs more money to both speed up (oil) and slow down (steel). :-))

[RSVX]

I know thats what you meant, I wa trying to make a funny mr serious!

[Landshark]

Originally posted by MikeInd
I Spoke with Bill Groschen, President

Thsi is what he told me.

".......If you ever go to the Daytona 24 hour race and look at the rotors on every car there you will see 95% of them have slotted rotors except on many of the Porsches and that is because Porsche drills all their rotors and that is all you can buy unless you want to custom manufacture your own(Very expensive)."

that's a big 'ol load of wrong info. Porsche does not drill their rotors - the holes are cast into the rotor during the manufacturing process to elimate the stress cracks that occur in drilled rotors. they use ceramic rotors now, anyway.

you'd think a guy that sells performance rotors would know that.

[SVXer95]

Originally posted by Landshark


that's a big 'ol load of wrong info. Porsche does not drill their rotors - the holes are cast into the rotor during the manufacturing process to elimate the stress cracks that occur in drilled rotors. they use ceramic rotors now, anyway.

you'd think a guy that sells performance rotors would know that.

Thats what I thought...

[mbtoloczko]

Originally posted by RSVX
I know thats what you meant, I wa trying to make a funny mr serious!

Yeah, too serious sometimes.

[Mr. Pockets]

Originally posted by Landshark


that's a big 'ol load of wrong info. Porsche does not drill their rotors - the holes are cast into the rotor during the manufacturing process to elimate the stress cracks that occur in drilled rotors. they use ceramic rotors now, anyway.

you'd think a guy that sells performance rotors would know that.

I imagine he does. But he's not very well going to say, 'of course, Porsche has now moved on to ceramic rotors, which are of better quality than those which I sell.' And the fact that Porsche casts their holes instead of drilling them is immaterial. His claim is that rotors with holes in them will show cracks before rotors which do not have holes. I don't see a problem.

Some of you are also surprised that some of his words about ART sound a little negative. Are you joking??? ART is a competitor. He was about as positive as I would expect anybody to be, and flat out said that ART was an option for you.

Really, guys, this guy is running a business to make money. How much time do you expect him to spend talking about competitors' products over his own???

[Landshark]

Originally posted by Mr. Pockets


I imagine he does. But he's not very well going to say, 'of course, Porsche has now moved on to ceramic rotors, which are of better quality than those which I sell.' And the fact that Porsche casts their holes instead of drilling them is immaterial. His claim is that rotors with holes in them will show cracks before rotors which do not have holes. I don't see a problem.

Some of you are also surprised that some of his words about ART sound a little negative. Are you joking??? ART is a competitor. He was about as positive as I would expect anybody to be, and flat out said that ART was an option for you.

Really, guys, this guy is running a business to make money. How much time do you expect him to spend talking about competitors' products over his own???

he say Porsche drill. Porsche don't drill. he say his rotors good...........are they?