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Re: Trevor has been given a time out.
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You are missing some due to posts that were moved to the admin area. This action was taken after multiple warnings. Some of the posts that were moved are actually back in place now. Quote:
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Re: Trevor has been given a time out.
I probably didn't miss anything, but maybe I feel this issue was given undue attention.
Many of us long timers have broken the rules plenty of times, myself included with the hurling of personal insults and other caveats rooted in anger and with provocative intent. I personally do not recall ever being issued any warning, possibly due to the fact most minor conflicts involving myself resolve themselves quickly, but to the point and from what I've seen regarding the whole Trevor versus Harvey Quick Change issue seemed fairly tame in comparison. I guess from my perspective measures appear to have been enacted in prejudice, ample "fair warning" and ensuing said disobedience or otherwise. A request if you please, as it is apparent Trevor holds enough sway on the forum to be permitted his own temporary banishment thread (or perhaps it is standard procedure just rarely witnessed), I would like to read from the horse's mouth if you will the exacting terms excluded from public review, and pertinent content in question verbatim. I would look for it myself, but it appears to have been removed to a secret location.
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Re: Trevor has been given a time out.
I had something smart to say but I figure I'll reserve my comments to myself. Stuff happens plain and simple. He'll be back in a month or two and hopefully things will be normal. There's no need for us to run rampage through our own village.
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Re: Trevor has been given a time out.
Two months without Trevor
I really hope he decides to come back after two months and doesn't disappear for a couple of years like he did after the Porter speaker cable fight.
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It wasnt so much that Trevor was challenging Harvey's work, as it was the manner in which he chose to do that. I few simple sentences removed from so many of his posts would have changed the tone entirely. The parts you would have missed would be the endless chains of private messages between several of the Admins/Mods and Trevor. How he handled himself in those leaves a lot to be desired as well. We posted this message, not because he has sway, but rather as a way to inform the membership. We did the same thing with Budfreak and Benebob. It is standard procedure and rarely seen, as we rarely ban people. I hope he comes back too, without the snide comments. But this statement goes to show just how long this has been going on. Porter hasn't been here in years.
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Your statement that "this issue" was given undue attention would not be taking into account all that has gone before and which has been taking 80% of moderators time to handle because of one man's unwillingness to comply with the rules that over a thousand others are happy to comply with and which keep this Forum a friendly place to visit. Quote:
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If you want to read more Nik, read all the New Shift Kit Developed thread in Mod Mania from the start, not just the last few pages. Joe
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Re: Trevor has been given a time out.
Thanks from this casual participant to the Administrators for making what I know what was a tough call. These "personality conflicts" are sometimes impossible to avoid, and do get tiresome. It's one thing to have a minor dust-up with another poster from time to time, but this thing has been going on for years. Here's hoping for positive future contributions from all concerned.
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Re: Trevor has been given a time out.
*bites tongue*
There has been ample review of the situation. As someone who has been under the gun by Harvey for rebutting the QC, i understand Trevor's frustration. I also can understand Harvey's frustration as Trevor *did*step out of line with the whole "Faster" bit on SVXWorldForums. But this kind of double dipping by moderators in easily noticeable attempts to silence his attitude and his statements is FAR out of line. I understand that there is the ability to have clear and coherent communication between boards with regards to issues as such as we see here. I know the rules, I know you guys do a good job of keeping a hands-off approach but this was nothing of the sort. It was a direct shot at Trevor which absolutely instigated a reaction that left a lot to be desired. Trevor is a stubborn guy, as is Harvey, this is why they butt heads so easily. But there were clear and apparent sides being taken by some which I have noticed to be exceedingly inappropriate. The way you look at a painting, changes its whole meaning... Tom |
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Silence his statements? No. Go back, re-read the threads. They can debate whatever they want, whenever they want, for however long they want so long as respect is used. Respect was clearly not used in many, many posts. This ban really has nothing to do with this whole "Faster" thing. And everything to do with the way Trevor conducted himself here. Remember those poetry threads? Clearly a stab at the staff and an attempt at baiting. Rules prohibit baiting, it's there in plain text for all to see. There was a LOT of disrespect in the poetry threads, another rule broken. Quote:
The entire QC thread was started here, by Trevor, not Harvey. Another mod pointed it out almost IMMEDIATELY that this was most likely an attempt to discredit Harvey. Let me add, of all the people that voted on this matter, every single one of them agreed to this course of action. Nine people, nine! I would think if what you suggest is true, that at least one of them would have pointed that out.
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Re: Trevor has been given a time out.
Whoa, I knew I was gonna get that. My apologies. I never said he didn't deserve the ban. He did step out of line. But in this case there was direct assault and then there was things you need to read between the lines to see.
I did not keep up to date with the QC thread as it was the same arguments being reiterated over and over again. While I don't dispute there was obvious heat coming from Trevor's posts, it was returned as well, just not as clearly. There is not much I can say here without causing yet another up-roar. Trevor mishandled the situation, plain and simple, but I still believe there is more to be realized. Chris, if you wish PM me and I will discuss my feelings there and not distort this further. Tom |
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Re: Trevor has been given a time out.
Thanks Tom.
Your honest opinion is appreciated and valued, as is the opinion of anybody who cares to comment. That, of course, does not make your opinion correct or accurate. The only one who "took a shot" at Trevor was Trevor, the wound was self inflicted. He was told the vendetta against Harvey had to stop. He was warned if he kept on keeping on we would move on the situation. We just got the two fingered salute in prose and in verse. I'm not certain what exactly you mean by double dipping, but bringing any reference to co-operation between the other forum and this one into the picture here is a red herring. Trevor was given time out for breaking the rules of this Forum, not for anything he did or did not do elsewhere. In case you are not totally clear on the background every Admin and Mod agreed that this time around it had gone too far and a time out was called for. Against that I can speak for every man jack of them and tell you that nobody but nobody wants Trevor to leave, we all think too highly of him. We just want him to cease and desist from the Harvey baiting. And if he can't see his way to doing that, he will be headbutting more than Harvey when he gets back. Joe
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Re: Trevor has been given a time out.
Thanks for your comments Tom.
First let me apologize if I came accross as harsh towards you or anyone for that matter, that was not my intention. As I have told many, I appreciate and look foward to the input I receive from the membership. YGPM, I am interested. :-)
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Re: Trevor has been given a time out.
This is not correct Tom. We don't all have to agree for a time out or a ban to happen.
In the past some Moderators have disagreed, but we work to democratic principles and will move on a majority decision. My response and Chris's response coincided without knowing what the other was saying, and we both made the point about there being no uncertainty among the moderation board but that a time out was now called for. Joe
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