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Old 04-04-2006, 02:46 PM
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I find it so amusing that people forget what happens on their side of the fence. I know a lot of crap goes on in the Republican party, but that is mentioned every 10 minutes so we all know about it. All the stuff on the Democrat side get's washed over so the people forget they are JUST AS BAD.

- The only president ever impeached on grounds of personal malfeasance
- Most number of convictions and guilty pleas by friends and business partners
- Most number of cabinet officials to come under criminal investigation
- Most number of witnesses to flee country, refuse to testify, or commit suicide
- Most number of witnesses to die suddenly
- First president sued for sexual harassment.
- First president accused of rape.
- First first lady to come under criminal investigation
- Largest criminal plea agreement in an illegal campaign contribution case
- First president to establish a legal defense fund.
- First president to be investigated for espionage
- First president to be held in contempt of court
- Greatest amount of illegal campaign contributions
- Greatest amount of illegal campaign contributions from abroad
- First president disbarred from the US Supreme Court and a state court

and that's just Bill and his buddies!

Then we have Gary Condit and Ted Kennedy both murdering women.
Robert Byrd being a KKK grand dragon.
Cynthia McKinney using campaign contributions from terroist front companies to fund her retaking of her seat in congress.

I could go on, but its time to let Electrophil post all the bad republican stories.
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I saw that movie back in the day about the "sudden deaths and suicides". It made me wonder.

Clinton is NOT my hero. I think he was excellent for the economy, his actions favored the middle class, and he instituted the "X number of years on Welfare, and you are out! program. (I loved that), but that about wraps it up. Reagan is the closest to modern day presidents I would consider great or better than good, and he was no angel himself. He is, by the way the only thing I would dispute on your list. I think Reagan holds the record for most cabinet officials slammed. (Remember, majority democrat house then.)

The only angel I can remember in my lifetime is Carter. Just as pure as apple pie and positively the worse president evah!1!1 I mean dog gone fugley bad as president. I gag just thinking about him as president. Good man....Bad president. He was just too pure to run this country.

But anyway.... Here's the point. Check over the list. The difference today is accountability. The republican majority in the house held ole billy boy accountable. That's why people left the country, and he was investigated for this and that and held in contempt, etc.

Why in the world would Bush need a legal defense fund? Nobody has held him accountable.... for anything!!

Ya see.... I'm not a bleeding heart, save the trees, liberal hippy. I think I've mentioned it before that until I turned 40, I was registered and mainly voted Republican. (Except Perot....I threw my vote on Perot. ) I only re-registered as a Democrat before the last election.

And the reason why is I am just so furious with the republican party. And I mean furious!! When they came to power in 94, I was throwing parties. They set up their little contract with America, and I was right there with them. Yes!! Bring back responsibility to Government! Go team!!

Well, it didn't happen, not even close. They fought budget cuts, hooked up their rich buddies with pork sandwiches, and bickered with Clinton over silly stuff like oral sex, which I personally considered irrelevant except to his wife. They wasted time with pettyness instead of fixing things, and getting us financially on our feet. Then, when we get a republican administration, it gets worse! My gosh!! The accountability pounding house just shut up. Budget flies out of control immediately, profiteers popping up everywhere. Bush gets a free reign to do whatever he pleases and has complete obedient solidarity as a rule. Checks and balances? Gone! Checkbook is wide open, Buffet style.

I'm not liberal... I'm furious..boiling red furious. It's the "fourth" party and I just thought it up. My political connection is now "furious". I've been that way for quite a while now and I want accountability. I want to see your list be applied to these bozos and I want to see them burn for letting me, along with the rest of us, down. They lied, and they breached their contract, and I'm pineing for the day that they all burn. And the only way that is going to happen is with the democrats taking over.
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Old 04-04-2006, 03:47 PM
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I find it so amusing that people forget what happens on their side of the fence. I know a lot of crap goes on in the Republican party, but that is mentioned every 10 minutes so we all know about it. All the stuff on the Democrat side get's washed over so the people forget they are JUST AS BAD.

- The only president ever impeached on grounds of personal malfeasance
- Most number of convictions and guilty pleas by friends and business partners
- Most number of cabinet officials to come under criminal investigation
- Most number of witnesses to flee country, refuse to testify, or commit suicide
- Most number of witnesses to die suddenly
- First president sued for sexual harassment.
- First president accused of rape.
- First first lady to come under criminal investigation
- Largest criminal plea agreement in an illegal campaign contribution case
- First president to establish a legal defense fund.
- First president to be investigated for espionage
- First president to be held in contempt of court
- Greatest amount of illegal campaign contributions
- Greatest amount of illegal campaign contributions from abroad
- First president disbarred from the US Supreme Court and a state court

and that's just Bill and his buddies!

Then we have Gary Condit and Ted Kennedy both murdering women.
Robert Byrd being a KKK grand dragon.
Cynthia McKinney using campaign contributions from terroist front companies to fund her retaking of her seat in congress.

I could go on, but its time to let Electrophil post all the bad republican stories.
Cut and paste is such a wonderful tool. Perhaps readers would like to compare your post with this one posted 29 September, 2005 on the Snopes msgbrd by someone calling himself Luminus.

I'm not even going to bother responding any more than I have to this one, except to say that I don't see the phrase "found guilty" very much. Accusations don't mean much. Heck, I could accuse you of plagiarism but it wouldn't mean anything unless I could prove it.

BTW.... scroll down a bit on that msgbrd, and you'll see other posts refuting that one. I won't bother copying and pasting it all here.
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Old 04-04-2006, 03:55 PM
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So it boils down to this. When Bush popped up with the tax cuts, I, along with others said "hey! hold on, we just went through 10 years of cuts to get here, don't blow it on tires, reduce our debt like the original plan was." The right said "It's our money, they'll just spend it, we want our money back" and they did an unresponsible tax cut, and have increased the debt ceiling THREE TIMES.
Clinton's fault. Cut the government to the bone to look good on paper and left the next guy to clean it up.


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When 9/11 happened, I, along with others said "Hey! how did this happen? We pay a bundle yearly to keep this from happening!" The right replied "The terrorist did it, not us. Support your president", and the only one fired over this security mishap is Bill Maher.
Again, see above. The terrorist attacks took longer to plan than the few months Bush had been in office. 9/11 is 99% Clinton's fault and 1% Bush's fault.

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When Iraq popped up, I said, along with others, "Hey, what does this have to do with the crisis? There's no justification to put our troops there! Remember what Bush Senior said about going into Baghdad, we will get stuck!" The right replied "You are being unpatriotic, support your troops, and support your president during this time of crisis."

All three times, I, along with others, scratched our heads and said "huh?"
Well, that one is the UN's fault. 14 years of watching Sadamm go on his rampage, it should have been UN's war, not the Allied forces.

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But unfortunately, I have to pay for this mess along with all the ones that caused it.
yup. We'll be paying for Clinton's failure to prevent 9/11 for a long time.

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What feels even better is I know this is only the beginning. Before it is all over, there will eventually be accountability also for allowing 9/11 to happen. As soon as the right looses control of the house, this will happen. Is that important? Absolutely. The terrorist did the crime, but there was a system that failed us that allowed it to be planned and executed without one lousy act by our government to stop it.
Well, Clinton is already used to lying under oath. He'll probably lie about his failures to prevent 9/11 as well.

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Every terrorists involved set up shop after Bush was elected.
Bull. That's only as far back as the liberal media chose to research to sway public opinion.

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Several warnings were shooting across his desk at his ranch. It took over 5 hours from the time the planes were hijacked, until the last one crashed, and not one act was made to stop it.....in 5 hours.. wow.
Armchair quarterbacking. They grounded all flights once the second plane hit the towers, military escorted many planes to the ground and almost shot one down for its failure to follow instruction.

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Bush is ultimately accountable for this. Doesn't matter who was there before, or what occurred, he is accountable.
Clinton is ultimately accountable for this. Doesn't matter who was there after, or what occurred, he is accountable.

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He was even re-elected on the platform that he can protect his citizens, and he must be held accountable for failing in the first place..... and the second place if you count Katrina. It's still a mess down there.
He did protect us. There have been several terroist plans foiled by our current government, however it isn't reported by the liberal media because it doesn't fit their brainwashing agenda. Also, Katrina was a STATE issue, as are all hurricanes. Federal government doesn't kick in until after the state REQUESTS federal assistance. I can't believe the governor let citizens die just to build a false media blitz against Bush. She should be tried as a criminal.

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It is true I'm challenging opinions. But honestly..... if your advice was taken by the current administration, things may be different...and better now. At least our national debt wouldn't have doubled.
It wouldn't have doubled if we didn't have the five most expensive hurricanes in history during his term.


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And Clinton? Yep! No angel there, not at all.
Hey! We finally agree on something
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Cut and paste is such a wonderful tool. Perhaps readers would like to compare your post with this one posted 29 September, 2005 on the Snopes msgbrd by someone calling himself Luminus.

I'm not even going to bother responding any more than I have to this one, except to say that I don't see the phrase "found guilty" very much. Accusations don't mean much. Heck, I could accuse you of plagiarism but it wouldn't mean anything unless I could prove it.

BTW.... scroll down a bit on that msgbrd, and you'll see other posts refuting that one. I won't bother copying and pasting it all here.
And after reading the "facts" listed by those refuters, it will be obvious to many theat those posts were made by uninformed "cut -n- pasters"
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My gosh Mohrds! Do you WORK for this administration, or do you just fear Bush has your internet connection tapped?
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And after reading the "facts" listed by those refuters, it will be obvious to many theat those posts were made by uninformed "cut -n- pasters"
Everything is plagerism. Everything.

Bipa.

I crown thee "Queen Enlightenment" until I can think of a better title. You are the most informed person I know. It's incredible, you don't even live here, and you know more about what is going on in the United States than all of us combined. Incredible. Now neither one of us believe that crackpot lady down in Texas was raped by Bush, but you didn't write it. How did you know that thread was there?

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Since we are talking about losers across the board, let's throw out these 3 dredges form the left; Chuck Schumer, Diane Fienstien, and Barbara Boxer. The slime goes both ways from the center.

And as for bipa, it makes me wonder why you obsess so much about the current administration. You are either very bored over there, or secretly living here and are as Canadian as the Red Sox! There, now we have a conspiracy theroy that all good political discussions need!

And Ted Kennedy's car killed more people then my handgun; 2-0
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Old 04-04-2006, 04:53 PM
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Everything is plagerism. Everything.

Bipa.

I crown thee "Queen Enlightenment" until I can think of a better title. You are the most informed person I know. It's incredible, you don't even live here, and you know more about what is going on in the United States than all of us combined. Incredible. Now neither one of us believe that crackpot lady down in Texas was raped by Bush, but you didn't write it. How did you know that thread was there?

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Yeah, well, I like to think of plagiarism as a dying art form. But practice makes perfect, so I just keep at it and hope nobody notices

Oh, my.... I've attained Queendom? How does that role fit into a new democratic political party that is trying to ensure that the flag of the United States of America is able to keep proudly waving, and that the (former) Republic for which it stands, with a government supposedly of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth?

(how's that for artistic plagiarism? feeling quite cheecky tonight!)

As for how I know so much about what's going on, Hubby is away in Czech Republic until end of the week so I got time to indulge in lots of reading. He comes home for the weekend, then he's off to Tashkent, Uzbekistan, until Easter.

I can only spend so much time preparing my lesson plans on Direct and Indirect Speech and Passive and Active Verbs before I start to zonk out. That's when I hit the internet and newspapers from all over the world. At least I'm done with Simple Past Progressive and Past Progressive Perfect verbs. (if you don't know what those are, don't be surprised... few native English speakers ever really learn this grammar stuff the way ESL folks do. Let me know if I should start a new "Grammar" thread . Pop Quiz anyone? )



BTW, I think this is the original source of that anti-Clinton list: (interesting beginning, eh? Unfortunately he never refers to Bush negatively again, and goes on to bash Clinton, going right back to when Clinton was 7 years old. Wow!)

WHAT YOU WON'T FIND IN THE CLINTON MUSEUM AND LIBRARY
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BILL CLINTON AND GEORGE BUSH are the two most corrupt individuals to have occupied the White House in modern times. While Bush has clearly proved more venal and deadly and far more destructive of the American republic, it is a fair reading of history to say that Clinton was the warm up band for George Bush....

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Everything is plagerism. Everything.

Bipa.

I crown thee "Queen Enlightenment" until I can think of a better title. You are the most informed person I know. It's incredible, you don't even live here, and you know more about what is going on in the United States than all of us combined. Incredible. Now neither one of us believe that crackpot lady down in Texas was raped by Bush, but you didn't write it. How did you know that thread was there?

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How is it that dilusional liberals are "enlightened" and dilusional conservatives are "brainwashed"? Probably the same way that liberals preech tolerance yet try to destroy those who don't agree with them.

Why do "peace protests" often turn violent??? Isn't that an oxymoron?
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Since we are talking about losers across the board, let's throw out these 3 dredges form the left; Chuck Schumer, Diane Fienstien, and Barbara Boxer. The slime goes both ways from the center.

(It oozes all over. The republicans seem to be uphill from me though. )

And as for bipa, it makes me wonder why you obsess so much about the current administration. You are either very bored over there, or secretly living here and are as Canadian as the Red Sox! There, now we have a conspiracy theroy that all good political discussions need!

(I've always suspected that, and still do.)

And Ted Kennedy's car killed more people then my handgun; 2-0
Yep!! The hit men missed one. Darn it!!
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Since we are talking about losers across the board, let's throw out these 3 dredges form the left; Chuck Schumer, Diane Fienstien, and Barbara Boxer. The slime goes both ways from the center.

And as for bipa, it makes me wonder why you obsess so much about the current administration. You are either very bored over there, or secretly living here and are as Canadian as the Red Sox! There, now we have a conspiracy theroy that all good political discussions need!

And Ted Kennedy's car killed more people then my handgun; 2-0
Wait a couple of years. I guarantee that after the next US election I'll be complaining about someone new. The only conspiracy I'm in right now is how it seems the White House likes making MY life more difficult! Sheesh!

Gosh, I never killed anyone with a handgun either.... we have something in common!

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WHAT YOU WON'T FIND IN THE CLINTON MUSEUM AND LIBRARY
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CLINTON LAID THE FOUNDATION for the excesses of the war on terror in a number of ways:

- He conducted a deadly and lawless raid on the Waco compound including the use of the military in civilian law enforcement.

- In the wake of Oklahoma City, the Clinton administration proposed restricting habeas corpus and increasing wiretaps.

- As Doug Bandow reported in the National Review, Clinton "essentially sought to eliminate the requirement of a warrant for searches from the Fourth Amendment. The president claimed to possess 'inherent authority to conduct warrantless searches for foreign intelligence purposes.' The administration required public-housing residents to sign away their constitutional right that authorities procure a warrant to search their dwellings and personal property. The Justice Department backed warrantless (indeed, suspicionless) drug tests for high-school athletes. The administration requested greater FBI authority to conduct "roving wiretaps," without a court order.
Very well said. Pretty much deflates anyone's "Clinton was the best" baloon.

I love the TWA800 connection. I've heard rumors, yet never saw anyone willing to publicly say it.

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How is it that dilusional liberals are "enlightened" and dilusional conservatives are "brainwashed"? Probably the same way that liberals preech tolerance yet try to destroy those who don't agree with them.

Why do "peace protests" often turn violent??? Isn't that an oxymoron?
So... You admit that you are a dilusional conservative?
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So... You admit that you are a dilusional conservative?
Nope. I'm not a conservative. I'm a moderate, just like you. We both wait patiently for a real candidate to step up.
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