MAC vs. PC... What's the big deal???

[Noir]

Originally posted by immortal_suby


I can't believe I'm the only one who caught this. Especially with doug and lwin posting in this thread.

lol..well you know..that's what happens when you think faster than you can type.

I meant to type the following:

I also saw her pumping the recordings onto her computer in her dorm room.

but then again, when her roommate walked in on us(quite frequently actually), i'm sure she was thinking the same thing .

got to love those emory all girl dorms

[Chicane]

Originally posted by dcarrb
A few Windows users equate "most popular" with "superior," and that curious conclusion leaves some Mac folks feeling marginalized and defensive. It's a pointless debate, as the differences between the two are now so slight,

A civic is more popular than a ferrari. This means that civics are better cars.

Anyway, I wouldn't callt eh difference between them slight. PCs are CHEAP, macs are pretty pricey. Windows is based on an archiac OS, it's a pita to do things that should be simple, and ... it's basically an inferior OS. ITS ONLY saving grace is that it has a LOT of software. Period.

- Rob

[Chicane]

Originally posted by GreenMarineSVX
WOW, I was almost positive that this thread would have been deleted when I got back to work today... Good job everyone on keeping the conversations to a peaceful level...


So what I've learned so far is that it is not nessicarly a hate for the computers them selves.. It is when, Say a PC user tryes to use a MAC and doesn't understand something... He cussed the MAC because it doesn't work like his PC... Then he talks crap about his bad experience with the MAC and people that have had similar experiences with MAC's come together... Then the MAC users (that use them everyday) get kinda pissed off because to them it looks like the PC guys are mounting an attack on the MAC guys... They fire back with something about PC's and then "it's on!!"... Huh, well Personally I like both computers... I kinda wish that one of my work computers were a MAC because I know the Video and Audio sditing programs better on MAC... Then again I like for my "everyday" All putpose computer to be a PC... ... So I have nothing wrong with either of them... Again, good on all of ya for not making the Moderators put on thier flame retardant suits and come extinguish another "MAC vs. PC" fire

You hit the nail on the freakin' head Green Marine. That is EXACTLY what happens, and you NAILED it; that is the exact reason why I get pissed off: Ignorant people, not knowing what they are doing, being used to something else, not knowing how to do something, not understanding it, then cementing in their minds that macs suck, all because they didn't know what the hell they were doing, or they were using a crappy lab mac that has a bunch of software conflicts or something. The best parts about owning a mac is that MOST everything works so well together. I simply try something logical, it works. PCs are not like this. Unlike some zealots, I use both systems on a daily basis, and own both. I've built over 20 PCs, networked, troubleshooting, everything. And honestly, PCs are a pain in the ass. Yeah. They ARE cheap. Good value I guess. But riddle me this batman:

Would you rather have a civic with a bodykit, turbo system, yadda yadda yadd tons of aftermarket support and it ran really fast 1/4 mile times and handled insanely well....

or would you rather have a decent SVX, with great handling compared to most cars on the road, decent acceleration, great build quality, and a sense of 'integrity' thoughout the entire product.

The answer is simple to me.... as I'm sure it is to most of you, regardless of whether or not you want to admit it.

- Rob

[Noir]

Originally posted by dcarrb

A few Windows users equate "most popular" with "superior," and that curious conclusion leaves some Mac folks feeling marginalized and defensive. It's a pointless debate, as the differences between the two are now so slight.

Dcarrb, it's a two way street here. Windows users may associate "most popular" with "superior", but I'm not so sure I agree with Mac folks feeling marginalized and defensive. Remember that Mac users also marginalize PC users in the same way. Once again, a mac and a PC is a tool used to accomplish the same goal, using either does not make anyone better or worse as long as they accomplish the same goal.

Originally posted by Chicane

A civic is more popular than a ferrari. This means that civics are better cars.

Yes that means that civics are better in the eyes of the people who picked civic's over another car because the civic accomplishes the expectations that the consumers want from that vehicle. Same goes for ferrari.

Originally posted by Chicane

Anyway, I wouldn't callt eh difference between them slight. PCs are CHEAP, macs are pretty pricey. Windows is based on an archiac OS, it's a pita to do things that should be simple, and ... it's basically an inferior OS. ITS ONLY saving grace is that it has a LOT of software. Period.

That LOT of software you mention is all it needs to be better. Why would I want to buy a computer that maybe a little simplier, but does not offer me the access to all the tools and then some to do what I want to do and meet whatever possible need that arises? If the software's not out there, there are a millions of developers out there that for a price will come up with something for me. That's why PC's sold and gained so much marketshare back in the day. Granted Mac's are trying to grab some of that market share back, but it's a slow process after PC took over the market. Is the PC better than the Mac? Maybe in certain aspects, but not in others.

What else is there to argue about? I thought we got tired of this topic and moved on to bigger, better things....like women Chris or SVX's.

And Rob, on your last post of blah, blah, blah, blah (no offense intended just too tired to copy paste and disect). It's all a matter of opinion. I don't think people are ignorant when they do not agree with your opinion. You can hit me up with facts. How often does a Mac fail and what problems can you have. That people would understand, consider, and learn. Going on and on about well it's like a civic with a turbo, body-kit, etc. versus a SVX is just your method of trying to gain support for your opinion by comparing using an example that some people here may hate with what you hate. It's pretty silly actually because the most of us here know exactly what you are saying, even though you think they don't.

I don't know about you, but I don't look down on civics that have been built up, with a turbo, bodykit, improved handling modifications. Sounds like a good piece of machinery. Not everyone is up for the SVX nor are SVX'ers up for the Civic w/modifications...how do you judge which is better? By who's standards?

[mohrds]

Originally posted by Chicane
Windows is based on an archaic OS, it's a pita to do things that should be simple, and ... it's basically an inferior OS.

A little research before you post would be a good thing. Windows is based on an old OS, but Mac OS never evolved until they took a 30 year old OS and wrote a new GUI for it, called OSX.

Look at the Legacy Application Subsystem and you will see it is nothing more that a rebranded, off the shelf Mac OS emulator for unix. It has been available for years in open source.

OSX has nothing in common with MacOS other than the window design. OSX has nothing that hasn't been available for 10+ years in open source, other then the pretty drop down menus and check boxes for people who don't know command line.

[GreenMarine]

Originally posted by Noir
got to love those emory all girl dorms

Where's this at Harry?? Next time I come to the ATL you're gonna have to run me by these "All Girl Dorms"

[dcarrb]

Originally posted by Noir
Dcarrb, it's a two way street here. Windows users may associate "most popular" with "superior", but I'm not so sure I agree with Mac folks feeling marginalized and defensive. Remember that Mac users also marginalize PC users in the same way. Once again, a mac and a PC is a tool used to accomplish the same goal, using either does not make anyone better or worse as long as they accomplish the same goal.

Sure, it is a two-way street. Mac users can definitely cop an elitist attitude, particularly in my line of work; one of the few professions where Macs predominate.

In my experience, the quality of the work performed ultimately reflects the talent and skill of the operator, not the brand of tools employed.


dcb

[mohrds]

Originally posted by dcarrb
In my experience, the quality of the work performed ultimately reflects the talent and skill of the operator, not the brand of tools employed.

Well said! You hit the nail right on the head! Good Job!

Doug

[Sonar]

Originally posted by mohrds


A little research before you post would be a good thing. Windows is based on an old OS, but Mac OS never evolved until they took a 30 year old OS and wrote a new GUI for it, called OSX.

Look at the Legacy Application Subsystem and you will see it is nothing more that a rebranded, off the shelf Mac OS emulator for unix. It has been available for years in open source.

OSX has nothing in common with MacOS other than the window design. OSX has nothing that hasn't been available for 10+ years in open source, other then the pretty drop down menus and check boxes for people who don't know command line.

Wow...finally...and I thought I was gonna type this myself
and I didn't really want to....

VERY few people that are arguing about a "computers" excellence over another, REALLY have the technical knowledge to do just that! , what they really arguing about is the USERS point of view (and that can be important to) , but in a debate of the technical superiority (is that the right word?) of a computer, one has to take the technical issues into the debate.

And frankly, up to macOS 9.x the OS could NOT even run 2 processes in a decent way! NOR could it manage the memory dynamically! ...and that folks is NOT a "technically" superior OS !!

In fact, even pure old DOS was better than that!

And about the new GUI in macOS-X (or 10) , -all you have to do is design a new "window manager" in good old "XWindow" on a average Unix system to accomplish that.

The strong side of macOS has always been the way it takes care about the user, many nice popups with understandable messages and so on, and a strict and similar "look" on everything, and thats GOOD!
But it is a BAD argument to declare it as "technically superior".

And I DON'T say that someone here has said that, just that it is a common statement in similar debates.

"How can he say this" , you might ask, simply because I have been in the business for some 25 years now, and used and analyzed MANY os's in that time, and because of my devotion to theese weird things I am a certified teacher in the most of the Microsoft os's and many Unix systems and Novell to.


(cheeez what a bad speller I am, hope it's understandable anyway )


/Sonny

[Sonar]

Originally posted by dcarrb


In my experience, the quality of the work performed ultimately reflects the talent and skill of the operator, not the brand of tools employed.


dcb

And this is SOOOO true....just love it



/Sonny

[mohrds]

Originally posted by Sonar
"How can he say this" , you might ask, simply because I have been in the business for some 25 years now, and used and analyzed MANY os's in that time, and because of my devotion to theese weird things I am a certified teacher in the most of the Microsoft os's and many Unix systems and Novell to.

I miss Novell. ELS Level 1 is what I learned on.

Loading the server.exe from a bootable 5.25" floppy. Those were the days!

Doug

[Sonar]

Not to mention the first Novell encounter for me.....a 2.12 system if I remember correcly....had some 50 diskettes to install..

And shame on you if you forgot that you wanted a serial printer too....then you would have to recompile the whole thing once again...50 diskettes.....



/Sonny

[Noir]

Originally posted by dcarrb


In my experience, the quality of the work performed ultimately reflects the talent and skill of the operator, not the brand of tools employed.


dcb

Absolutely correct! The talent and skill of the operator is more important than the brand of the tool. And talented operators for both platforms exist . Mac vs PC, a stupid argument indeed.

[Noir]

Originally posted by mohrds


I miss Novell. ELS Level 1 is what I learned on.

Loading the server.exe from a bootable 5.25" floppy. Those were the days!

Doug

Nice linux floppy boot disks around .

I used to use those to break into emory university's computer system. I never was enrolled there (too stupid and poor) but I was there all the time because I had girlfriends from there. You'd be amazed where I've been in emory . I can shut that school down in a heartbeat .

[Aredubjay]

Originally posted by Noir
Mac vs PC, a stupid argument indeed.

Finally, something even I can understand and AGREE with.


PS: Sonny, I'm still waitin' for you to share your beer.