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Re: Re: Different buttons for different places.[LONG]
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Messenger... What time of day do you drive up the M40? I use it everyday...
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To clarify, if I press the accelerator pedal in "normal" speed, to let's say 50%, in a given situation the AT does not kickdown, but if I press it rapidly to the same 50%, it DOES kickdown! So the accelerator pedal is speed sensitive .....
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You are right on that Sonar. It is measured by the Throttle Position Sensor [TPS], a small black device on the left side[facing forward] of the intake.
Harvey mentioned cruise control also, and signals from the CC are processed by the TCU to maintain the chosen speed. Likewise, it also takes account of signals from the ABS circuit, and from numerous other devices and circuits. Like messenger said, simple it ain't. Joe
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I am glad you all agree with each other...
Hi everybody,
I still did not experiment a lot with gearbox functioning patterns as I have been running the car for litle time and also given the sensitiveness of the subject. I did not recognize however in your descriptions the same possibilities I see in my car, namely on the Manual function. Please take a look at this picture from my locker showing my cars center console and the shifting lever. http://www.subaru-svx.net/photos/user.php?tone|14205 Probably not too noticeable, on the lower part of the lever base, just below the number "1" there is the Manual button (the button above the "P" is for the power antenna). Once I tried to use the gear box by pressing the Manual button and starting with the lever in position "1" and then shifting to "2" and "3" and it seemed to work as a manual gearbox although with a lot of time lag between shifts and also the shifting was very smooth. I never read the owners Manual because the one I have is in German and I donīt understand it but could it be that when I put in the "1" position I am really getting the 2nd gear? What about the other positions? Are they always one gear up? Will I ever go to 4th gear if I choose "3" and progressively floor it? One thing I can confirm: I am usually driving with ECON pressed on (the button on the left side of the shft lever) and whatever the way I try it never entered Power mode. Cheers. Tone |
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Oops, link did'n work...
Hi.
Here is the pic. Tone |
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Re: I am glad you all agree with each other...
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The button you mention above P, on mine that button allows movement of the selector with the ignition off and the solenoids that work the interlock not functioning. Amazed it is working the aerial on yours, is that an aftermarket fixture? Regards your questions: yes, with MANU on, if you select 1 it will ignore it, and start the car in 2, and hold 2. For most situations it would probably be best to select 3 with MANUAL, and let the car [TCU, really] make the decisions on changing up. It will not change back down unless you are nearly stopped. The positions in MANUAL are not always one up, the only gear ignored is 1. Also MANUAL does not function in D [4], just 2 and 3. Regards changing up from a lower gear, the answer is yes. The transmission is programmed to select the next higher gear if the revs go beyond a set limit in that gear to save the engine from blowing up. I think the preset level is 6750 revs, but I will have to check this figure, my memory is not faultless these days. Joe
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Re: Re: Different buttons for different places.[LONG]
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No wonder you're ing Paul!
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Re: Re: I am glad you all agree with each other...
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Don't know if it has to do with the absence of the button above P but my selector moves with the ignition off. I don't think that button is aftermarket since the design and button type is the same as the MANUAL one and perfectly integrated in the console which makes me think it is an OEM feature. It also shows in the (German) owners manual, so... Anyway, it just puts the aerial up and down regardless of the stereo being powered on or off. Regarding the MANUAL function I really don't get it. Why having a lever with positions 1, 2 and 3 if it will NEVER use the 1st gear? If I have to go to 6750rpm to make it shift to 4th forget about it. Whenever I get close to 5000rpm I always get the feeling that the engine is under a lot of effort. I know these engines best working point, power wise, is above 4000rpm but I am so used to its smoothness and quieteness below that value that I very rarely push. I know how wild it gets around 5500rpm. My NA 2000cc Forester has the same behaviour. Very progressive and quiet up to 4000 and then it starts to really get nervous. Now think of 3319cc being fed at 6750rpm. Then what would be the point in discussing mpg values? Tone |
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Manuel
Regarding the MANUAL function I really don't get it. Why having a lever with positions 1, 2 and 3 if it will NEVER use the 1st gear?
You are missing the point a little bit. It will only ignore or skip 1 range when Manual is switched on. For Normal or Power driving, it always starts in 1. The reason it skips 1 with Manual button engaged is because 1 range will release too much power to the wheels and cause them to slip. Manual mode is meant to be used in mucky or snowy low grip conditions. The gearbox can assign pulling power to the wheels requiring it if the revs are low enough and the wheels don't start to slip. With too much power applied, one or two wheels will start to spin, and dig in and bog the car down. Randy can confirm that this happens in soft mucky lawns, right Randy?? If I have to go to 6750rpm to make it shift to 4th forget about it. Again, this is only a fail-safe function of the transmission, and you are not meant to be trying it out. If you were to select 2 range, either Normal or Manual, and floor the throttle and leave it there, the revs and speed would build up until about 6750 revs. At that point, the ECU would instruct the solenoids to select 3 range, even though you have the lever in 2. This is merely a safety precaution to stop you breaking the engine [if you forgot what range you had selected], and is not meant to be used daily. Hope that clarifies Joe
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Joao
Gotcha!
I assumed I could only go to 1-2-3 with the MANUAL button depressed. Just don't get it why they called it MANUAL... They should have called it GRIP or TRACTION. Regarding the revs issue I was just joking. I would NEVER go to that point. Clarified I am. Tone |
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I agree. Why Manual? Makes no sense at all. Traction would be more correct, in fact, perfect. Regards the revs, I was serious. I've done it. It works. And the car goes like stink!!! Only the once. I was afraid the TCU would forget to change up, and burst the engine. However, you should try it, it's fun...... Joe
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I don't really get it.......what do you ppl mean???
Do you think 6750rpm is HIGH ??????? I must have a complete different SVX , yes I must have!! My redline is 6500 rpm, and if I floor it, it would go to that and sometimes beyond it, almost 7000rpm on the lower gears, before it shifts. And I assure you, the engine has nothing in common with my other Subarus "5.600 max power rpm" behaivor. I rockets off from 5000, pulling insanely to 6500, and still pulls hard to 7000rpm !! -and what a SONG !! And I HAVE tried, many times that "shift up security rpm" thing... but it's hard to precisely read the tacho, but around 7000 rpm it autmaticaly shifts up, whatever gear I have choosen. Maybe the tach reads to high, I don't know, but what I DO know is that it pulls (in kickdown) to 230km/h or 145mph (GPS) and 6500rpm on the 3:rd, before the 4:th kicks in. Maybe this explains why I have mesaured (with GPS) a speed of 275km/h (172 mph) AND STILL PULLING!!! (Poor guy in that Porsche ) /Sonny
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