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Old 05-03-2005, 09:36 AM
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No start (actually starts then dies)

Okay the race car is still not running. It is getting fuel to the manifold but won't run for more than a few seconds then dies. The idle is pretty rough as well. No codes inside so I'm kinda at a loss. It died while on course kind of sputtered (like she was running out of gas) then nothing since. Any ideas on where to start looking next? I've replaced the fuel pump relay with one from the headlights and it does the same thing.
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Old 05-03-2005, 09:52 AM
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We just had this happen on an Outback after a head gasket job, it turned out to be a PCV line disconected from a valve cover...
Do you have a fuel pressure gauge to check the pressure when running, and as it shuts off?
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Old 05-03-2005, 09:56 AM
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Did you remove the charcoal canister and plug the lines? Maybe you are drawing a vacuum on the gas tank? Try removing the gas cap
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Old 05-03-2005, 11:53 AM
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Yes, removed the evaporator canister but I put it back on this pm. Still nothing. I do have a gauge but not the hookups to get it on a subie line.

It pumps like a mother on the start position (but doesn't while the key is on, on and it isn't running). I'm assuming that is correct. Timing belt looks lined up but I didn't count teeth (gotta love not having a cover there to verify that aspect).
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Old 05-03-2005, 12:29 PM
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If it's a mechanical gauge, you can just use a hardware store T-fitting in the line between the fuel filter, and the intake manifold.
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Old 05-03-2005, 12:37 PM
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Okay well its nice to have another running SVX in the driveway to decifer issues with.

The race car isn't pumping fuel when the key is in the on position. It does however pump while in the start position.

My 95 is pumping fuel in the on position. So now we at least know that it isn't getting fuel when it should. Removed the known good relay (shiney silver relay on the back side of the ecu and swapped still nothing). Now what do I swap?
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Old 05-03-2005, 02:14 PM
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Well we were running without the fuel pump modulator. I put that back in and it still is doing the same thing. No fuel at on but fuel when key is in the start position.

I'm just wondering how the car ran well w/o the modulator? And why that wouldn't fix the issue.
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On my claret 92, when I turn the key to on,(engine not started) the fuel pressure goes up to 35 psi, and after 10 seconds it drops off to 3 psi.
(I attribute that to a leaking fuel injector.)
With the engine running, and 14.3 volts being pumped out by the alternator, the psi stays at 39-40 at idle.
SVXRide has a inline gauge on his 92, lets check his out.

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When I first installed my adjustable fpr, the pressure would stay up for hours with the engine off.
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with the maf harness disconnected car will start and die instantly. maybe it got knocked loose.
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On my claret 92, when I turn the key to on,(engine not started) the fuel pressure goes up to 35 psi, and after 10 seconds it drops off to 3 psi.
(I attribute that to a leaking fuel injector.)
With the engine running, and 14.3 volts being pumped out by the alternator, the psi stays at 39-40 at idle.
SVXRide has a inline gauge on his 92, lets check his out.

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When I first installed my adjustable fpr, the pressure would stay up for hours with the engine off.
Ben,
I'll check fuel pressure when I get home --- I actually drove the SVX to work today! If memory serves me right, I've got ~42psi when the engine is running and it will hold at that when I shut the engine off. It does bleed down over night, I'm just not sure how long it takes before it bleeds down to 0psi.
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Old 05-03-2005, 03:57 PM
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Well in the on position the race car has 0psis. The fuel pump isn't pumping but pumps just fine in the start position. I've swapped the relay, fp regulator on the rear deck and the resister on the rear deck. Still nothing.
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Okay, I checked when I first got home and here's what I got:

At idle = ~32psi

Engine off, ignition switch turned to "on" = ~42psi

After ~ 1 hour it was down to ~40psi

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Old 05-03-2005, 08:07 PM
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I reattached the exhaust (which came off when one of the rubber straps broke on that last run).

The car started right up. It is now running just fine. Plenty of gas when the key is in on and it isn't running. Now why would this be or is it just a fluke that it is back to starting?

The only thing that I can think of is that since I have the rear pipe under the trunk strapped with metal straps to keep it in place that it is providing a ground. I know I'm reaching but will remove the exhaust in the am and see if it starts.
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Thats weird

But you can never have too many grounds.
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Old 05-04-2005, 08:24 AM
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Thats weird

But you can never have too many grounds.
Well the theory holds as of now. Started the car. She ran 100%. Removed the metal straps holding the exhaust pipe on and she won't start again. Who would've thought it would be a ground!!!


Thanks everyone for their help! Pretty strange but I'm hoping this is the issue. If not we'll find out Sunday when I have to load and unload the car all by my lonesome.
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