Question about Axxis pads

DavieGravy · #1 03-09-2003, 10:56 PM

Do the Axxis Deluxe Plus brake pads (front) listed here for $27.99 come with shims, do I need to worry about shims, and what is a shim?
Thanks for any help in advance.

Paisan · #2 03-10-2003, 06:10 AM

I have used the Axxis Metalmaster and Ultimates. I don't think they came with shims for either set. The metalmasters are well worth the slightly higher price.

-mike

#3 03-10-2003, 08:17 AM

Its a thin brass plate and it lives between the pad backing plate and the piston surface...

It reduces both friction and squeeling as the pad moves in relation to the piston....

It should have a light coating of anti-seize compound when reinstalling

Hope this helps

Hotshoe

DavieGravy · #4 03-10-2003, 10:39 AM

Thanks guys.
I did some searching and found people complaining that the metalmasters squeek like hec, which is why I wanted to go with the organic pads.

ensteele · #5 03-10-2003, 11:38 AM

I have been using them, and have not found them to be noisy. Just lucky I guess.

sfsvx · #6 03-10-2003, 04:02 PM

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Originally posted by DavieGravy
Thanks guys.
I did some searching and found people complaining that the metalmasters squeek like hec, which is why I wanted to go with the organic pads.

Does anybody here know what brake pads are actually made of? When I hear "organic", I think of tofu.

And while I'm asking, what are clutch facings made of?

What IS that stuff?

lee · #7 03-10-2003, 06:02 PM

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Originally posted by sfsvx

Does anybody here know what brake pads are actually made of? When I hear "organic", I think of tofu.

And while I'm asking, what are clutch facings made of?

What IS that stuff?

Look here for brake pads:

http://www.ebcbrakesuk.com/catalogue...1_dec_2000.pdf

Also may want to look at their product line - the green 6000 series for the Nissan Pathfinder reportedly works for the front pads on an SVX. See the product line & descriptions here:

http://www.ebcbrakesuk.com/catalogue...auto/pads.html

A source of newer OEM type technology (ceramic pads) is for sale at:

https://www.olyonline.com/akebono.htm

and of course Axxis has a very good reputation.

DavieGravy: BTW, normally organic compound brakes have less noise, but also less ultimate stopping power than metallics. I think it's along the lines of "no such thing as a free lunch".

Paisan · #8 03-10-2003, 08:59 PM

Zero noise with my metalmasters. With the Ultimates I get some grinding noise a little, but not sure why yet.

-mike

Beav · #9 03-10-2003, 10:12 PM

Personally I don't think anyone would find much difference in braking power between semi-mets and organics on the street. The main reason for OEs spec'ing semi-mets was because they reduced the overall size and weight of the braking system to help meet CAFE requirements. The semi-mets allowed them to do so without seriously reducing friciton longevity and fade.

BTW, serpentine belts allowed a weight savings of up to 600# per car. One belt driving all ancillary devices takes up much less space than three or four belts. Not having to lengthen (or widen) the car to accomodate the extra belts saves frame and body weight.

DavieGravy · #10 03-10-2003, 11:07 PM

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Originally posted by Beav
Personally I don't think anyone would find much difference in braking power between semi-mets and organics on the street. The main reason for OEs spec'ing semi-mets was because they reduced the overall size and weight of the braking system to help meet CAFE requirements. The semi-mets allowed them to do so without seriously reducing friciton longevity and fade.

BTW, serpentine belts allowed a weight savings of up to 600# per car. One belt driving all ancillary devices takes up much less space than three or four belts. Not having to lengthen (or widen) the car to accomodate the extra belts saves frame and body weight.

So should go with the organics then? They're quite a bit cheaper than the semi-metallics or ulitmates.

mbtoloczko · #11 03-11-2003, 12:47 AM

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Originally posted by DavieGravy
Do the Axxis Deluxe Plus brake pads (front) listed here for $27.99 come with shims, do I need to worry about shims, and what is a shim?
Thanks for any help in advance.

The Deluxe Plus pads do not include the shims. If you want to see what the shims look like, point your webbrowser to subaruparts.com, and look up the shims in the SVX parts diagrams. I posted direct links to the diagrams in an earlier thread if you want to search for the links on this website.

There are three shims per side in the front, and two shims per side in the rear.

I've been using the Deluxe Plus pads for about 2 months. I'm very happy with them. Much better than the stock pads. Get the rotors turned while you're at it.

DavieGravy · #12 03-11-2003, 10:18 PM

So what's the verdict? Organic or semimetallic?

mbtoloczko · #13 03-11-2003, 11:48 PM

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Originally posted by DavieGravy
So what's the verdict? Organic or semimetallic?

Look at the Axxis pad guide on their website and decide for yourself:

http://www.axxisbrakes.com/technical.htm

DavieGravy · #14 03-12-2003, 11:18 AM

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Originally posted by mbtoloczko

Look at the Axxis pad guide on their website and decide for yourself:

http://www.axxisbrakes.com/technical.htm

I tried to look at that link ealier but none of the picutres or site content come up, just the background. (Java is enabled)
I even talked to the guy at brakeswherehouse and he said go with the metalmasters or ultimates, as the organics wouldn't give me that great of stopping power. But of course they're going to try and push their high end product over the low end line. I wanted to know if there's "really" a difference. But since people here don't seem to know, apart from a general statement by beav, I'll just get the metalmasters.
Thanks for all the help.

Paisan · #15 03-12-2003, 12:20 PM

I LOVE my metalmasters!

-mike