This is a joke...

[RSVX]

...isn't it?

http://www.runyourcarwithwater.com/

[lechnoid]

I wish it was a joke. Unfortunately, it's a nasty nasty scam that is going to cost a lot of people repair bills for new engines. Click to order and it'll take you to a secure CC transaction page.


Wiki...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxyhydrogen


There's a lot of other sites that debunk the theory behind it. If you're somewhat chemically inclined and love a good laugh, here's a great site for it...

http://www.groupsrv.com/science/about156295.html

[greggbzz]

The short answer is yes, but I like to have fun with this garbage so let's break it down.

HHO provides the atomic power of Hydrogen, while maintaining the stability of water.

Ehh, we're talking chemistry right? Generally the word atomic refers to some nuclear reaction.
Unless this is some magical fusion device, your just burning your hydrogen and that's a purely chemical reaction.

Also, not sure what they mean by stable, again, that would infer some type of nuclear decay goes on with hydrogen, or water, or HHO,
and it does not with any of the common isotopes.

Furthermore, Oxyhydrogen (HHO) is pretty expensive to make. You need to use electrolysis to break apart the water molecules. If I recall
correctly, that energy far exceeds what you might get from the combustion of the resultant compounds.

Our easy conversion guide will show you how to use electricity from your car's battery to separate water into a gas called HHO (2 Hydrogen + 1 Oxygen). HHO, also called Brown's Gas or Hydroxy, burns smoothly and provides significant energy - while the end product is just H2O! HHO provides the atomic power of Hydrogen, while maintaining the stability of water.

So, your telling me, that starting with a mechanical force (your alternator), generated by combustion (your engine) converted to a chemical storage by means of a battery, and then going back electricity in that battery, and then into the tank or whatever for electrolysis to break up that water into another combustible gas, so you can burn it in your engine, your going to come out on top? Briefly NO. In fact, it's probabbly like 1% efficient.

Works with plain tap water. No need for distilled water or special water additives!

Of course it does! I bet I can put diet sprite in there to!

It angers me that people fall for this crap and that knuckleheads try to sell it on you, it really does. Teach our kids the scientific method for cripes sake.

[mikecg]

Isn't HHO just another way to right H2O??? (2 Hydrogen and 0ne Oxygen)

[lechnoid]

If I understand correctly, their claim has to do with the molecular structure of the same number of molecules. Here's a VERY rough example of a water molecule...



The makeup that Aquygen is suggesting is something like this...

H-H-O

...hence the HHO name. Now from what I understand from my chemistry and quantum mechanics, the HHO configuration would either be impossible, or extremely difficult to achieve, requiring plenty of energy to get it to that level. If you did get it there, it would prove to be quite unstable, wanting to revert to the stoichiometric balance of water.

There is such a thing as an oxyhydrogen (not sure if that's what it's called) torch. But the process is different. In that case, picture a typical oxyacetylene torch setup. Instead of running acetylene, you run pure hyrdrogen. When the two mix, they once again strive to get to the point of making water. In the process, a good deal of energy is released, creating the heat to make the torch usable with the only byproduct being water. The problem with equating that to automotive combustion is that the hydrogen used in the torch is H2, which is the stable version of hydrogen. It takes a good deal of energy to get two hydrogen molecules to join together like that. Backing up to look at the big picture....you put in a ****-ton of energy to make H2, then mix it with O2 to make energy and water. For the chemically inclined...

2 H2 + O2 → 2 H2O + Energy

If there were any merits to the claims this company was making, 90% of the cars on the market today would be hydrogen cars. The high amounts of energy to make H2 is the primary reason there's not more out there now. Hydrogen cars are easy to make and keep running. Making the hydrogen to power them, however, is more costly than the fuel we use everyday.

You'd be better off installing one and putting the warning label on for one these...

[Wolfy]

hey i want that flux capicitor thingy to put on my engine! lol that would be funny and amusing since the svx does sorta remind me of the delorean lol

[SVXyGirl]

Originally Posted by Wolfy

... the svx does sorta remind me of the delorean lol

They were designed by the same person.

[Wolfy]

really? hes prolly dead now though right?

[SVXyGirl]

I believe he's still alive.

Wikipedia on Giugiaro

[It's Just Eric]

Production

A pure stoichiometric mixture is most easily obtained by water electrolysis, which uses an electric current to dissociate the water molecules:

electrolysis: 2 H2O → 2 H2 + O2
combustion: 2 H2 + O2 → 2 H2O

The energy required to generate the oxyhydrogen always exceeds the energy released by combusting it. (See Electrolysis of water:Efficiency).

And no, Giorgetto Giugiaro is still alive.

[Speedklix]

This kind of set in "total amount of energy can never increase" is really kindda funny... like hybrids are conspiracy and don't really produce better MPGs The theory isn't to produce MORE energy it is only to utilize as much as possible.

...Not saying that people clicking "buy" are not being taken for a ride. -Largly because they are, but the theory is sound. Given the proper analysis and design, an HHO system can supplement an ICE platform.. the catch is that you can not treat it like a normal car that you just need to add water to in addition to gas. The reality is that your cell will require frequent maint. and additives.

Also, I have seen very few designs online that I can call "good" but the ball is rolling in the right direction. One of the largest flaws in the logic is the manner in which AF ratio is handled.

Ultimatly, the guys suckering desprate people looking for a fuel fix are going to mute those who have something to contribute

[CigarJohnny]

Rachel's a little hottie!

[Landshark]

Originally Posted by CigarJohnny

Rachel's a little hottie!

[NapaBavarian]

Originally Posted by CigarJohnny

Rachel's a little hottie!

did I miss someone? There was this girl named Rachel when I was in 7th-8th grade but you probably don't know her

[Ricochet]

pirate walks into a bar w/ a steering wheel attached to his crotch, bartender says why do you have a steering wheel down there? pirate says yaarrrrrrr it's drivin' me nuts