Iranian Cataclysm, Aug 22?

[Landshark]

end of the world beginning in a few weeks? Iran picking Aug.22 for their "reply" a coincidence?

here's the copy n' paste:



"A top expert on the Mideast says it is possible Iran could pick Aug. 22, the anniversary of one of Islam's holiest events, for a cataclysm Shiite Muslims believe will forever resolve the battle between "good" and "evil."

Princeton's Bernard Lewis has written an opinion piece in the Wall Street Journal advising that the rest of the world would be wise to bear in mind that for those who believe the end of the world is imminent and good, there is no deterrent even to nuclear warfare.

As WorldNetDaily has reported, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has urged his people to prepare for the coming of an Islamic "messiah," raising concerns a nuclear-armed Islamic Republic could trigger the kind of global conflagration he envisions will set the stage for the end of the world.

He's also said, in a WND report, that Islam and its followers must prepare to rule the world, because it is a "universal ideology that leads the world to justice."

Now comes Lewis, who notes that the world must be concerned about a leader for whom the possibility of death is not a deterrent.

"In this context, mutual assured destruction, the deterrent that worked so well during the Cold War, would have no meaning," Lewis wrote. "At the end of time, there will be general destruction anyway. What will matter will be the final destination of the dead – hell for the infidels, and heaven for the believers.

"For people with this mindset, MAD is not a constraint, it is an inducement," he said.

Lewis noted that Ahmadinejad has referred to Aug. 22 several times, including when he rejected – until that date – United Nations requests for nuclear program information.

Lewis, joining several other Mideast experts who have expressed similar concerns, said Aug. 22 corresponds to the 27th day of the month of Rajab of the year 1427.

"This, by tradition, is the night when many Muslims commemorate the night flight of the prophet Muhammad on the winged horse Buraq, first to 'the farthest mosque,' usually identified with Jerusalem, and then to heaven and back," Lewis wrote.

In Islam, as in other religious, certain beliefs describe the "cosmic struggle" at the end of time. For Shiite Muslims, Lewis wrote, this will be "the long awaited return of the Hidden Imam, ending in the final victory of the forces of good over evil."

The significance, he said, is that there's a "radical" difference between Iran and other governments with nuclear weapons.

"This difference is expressed in what can only be described as the apocalyptic worldview of Iran's present rulers," he wrote. Iran's leaders now "clearly believe that this time is now, and that the terminal struggle has already begun and is indeed well advanced."

As for intent, a passage from the Ayatollah Khomeini, quoted in an 11th-grade Iranian schoolbook, reveals priorities: "I am decisively announcing to the whole world that if the world-devourers (i.e., the infidel powers) wish to stand against our religion, we will stand against their whole world and will not cease until the annihilation of all them. Either we all become free, or we will go to the greater freedom which is martyrdom."

Lewis wrote, "This might well be deemed an appropriate date for the apocalyptic ending of Israel and if necessary the world. It is far from certain that Mr. Ahmadanejad plans any such cataclysmic events precisely for Aug. 22. But it would be wise to bear the possibility in mind."

Lewis, the Cleveland E. Dodge professor emeritus of Near Eastern Studies at Princeton University, specializes in Muslim history and interaction between Muslims and the West.

His comments echoed those made just a few days earlier by Robert Spencer, another scholar of Islamic history, theology and law and the director of Jihad Watch.

In an article for FrontPageMagazine.com, he wrote that Farid Ghadry, president of the Reform Party of Syria, noted the commemoration of Muhammad's ascent to heaven from the Aqsa Mosque in Jerusalem.

Spencer said the Night Journey, or Miraj, is what makes Jerusalem a holy site for Islam, and Islamic tradition believes Muhammad, along with the angel Gabriel, went to the Temple Mount, and then to heaven in a bathing of light over Jerusalem.

Spencer reported that Ghadry talked of Ahmadinejad's plans for an illumination of the night sky over Jerusalem to rival the light of that Islamic belief.

Ghadry said what the Iranian president is "promising the world by August 22 is the light in the sky over the Aqsa Mosque," Spencer said.

He said a nuclear attack on Jerusalem, or even a conventional attack, would be consistent with the references that have been made, including Ahmadinejad's talk that Israel "pushed the button of its own destruction" by returning fire for Hezbollah's rocket barrage.

Also, "Atomic Iran" author Jerome Corsi notes that it's less significant whether Hezbollah survives, "but it's really the first chapter in the play for Iran and the Shiite Islam nation to come to ascendancy in the Muslim world."

First is the battle against Israel and the United States, he said, then against Sunni Islam. Where that group is more dominant, he said, is in Saudi Arabia and Egypt, where group members are "not unhappy to see Iran contained."

"They may launch an attack, but I still think if they had a weapon they would just go ahead and use it," Corsi said. "Terrorists don't brag about things they're going to do until after they do it."

He said the recent comments are more typical of terrorists' efforts to get attention.

"When Ahmadinejad is capable of taking action he will do it without any warning or bravado; he'll just do it," Corsi said.

In the updated edition of "Atomic Iran: How the Terrorist Regime Bought the Bomb and American Politicians," now available in paperback from WND Books, Corsi discusses many of the disturbing developments related to Iran.

Meanwhile, Tanzanian customs officials have uncovered an Iranian smuggling operation transporting large quantities of bomb-making uranium from the same mines in the Congo that provided the nuclear material for the atomic bomb dropped on Hiroshima 61 years ago, according to a recent report in the London Sunday Times.

A United Nations report, outlining the interception last October, said there is "no doubt" the smuggled uranium-238 came from mines in the Democratic Republic of the Congo's mineral-rich Katanga province.

The smuggled uranium discovered by Tanzanian customs agents was hidden in shipment of coltan, a rare mineral used to make chips in mobile telephones. According to the manifest, the coltan was to be smelted in the former Soviet republic of Kazakhstan after being shipped to Bandar Abbas, Iran's largest port.

Uranium-238, when used in a nuclear reactor, can be used to create plutonium for nuclear weapons."


i'm going to put on my tinfoil hat and wait.

[Noir]

couldn't be a better birthday present for me

[Landshark]

****, wrong forum!


Mods, please move this crap.

if Aug 22 is your birfday, it really must be the Apocolypse!

the crack-monkey army shall be releas0red!1!!!11

[Noir]

Originally Posted by Landshark

****, wrong forum!


Mods, please move this crap.

if Aug 22 is your birfday, it really must be the Apocolypse!

the crack-monkey army shall be releas0red!1!!!11

hey speaking of which, i wonder if there's any job openings at that facility i hear they are hiring for all sorts of stuff over there. cdc + rabies..maybe i can get on monkey watch

i'll have to make some vids if i can get in...sadly Amy moved and is now living in florida so no crack monkey footage.

[RSVX]

zee goggles, zey do nozing!!

oh, and...

Conspiracy Theorists, unite!

[Noir]

oh yeah and i just reported this thread landmule. you're going down!!

[Landshark]

Originally Posted by Noir

oh yeah and i just reported this thread landmule. you're going down!!

i'm hardcore, y0. my tinfoil hat will protect me from the barnination.

[shelfy]

we're all gonna die. i've been perpared since skylab fell to earth in 1979.

[SomethingElse]

Originally Posted by Noir

couldn't be a better birthday present for me

Mine too! good thing I celebrated yesterday.

[RSVX]

Tomorrow is the day of the cataclysm...

RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[sorceror]

From Robert:"Dan, the group you want in power sneak and blow things up. They make bad decisions like attacking Israel, and base their decisions on emotion instead of logic. They are not leadership material. You keep saying "They are Lebanese", and "they are the only ones that can protect Lebanon", etc. etc... DAN!! Come on friend... They caused the destruction of your country just now... I mean.. think about it. You want these guys running your country? You won't have a country left! They just proved their ability to make sound decisions with a whopper of a mistake. And....it's not their first whopper of a mistake, is it?"

I might add ... they caused the deaths of 1000 as well.

Danny your rhetoric was rather lengthy so I will say this. How can a country have four different armies all based on religion and hope to ever win anything? I would hate to see what would happen to armies all over the world if religion became a reason for their troops not to fight or for that matter to fight. Most countries of the world's armies have many different religions making up the fighting men.

Say the US did back your, Tayyar el Watani, Would one or two parts of your very own army rebel? Wouldn't that piss off some religious fanatic somewhere?

QUIT BLAMING THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND HER PEOPLE FOR THE WOES IN THE MIDDLE EAST!

[sorceror]

With Iran refusing to cooperate with the rest of the world in its attempt to build a nuclear arsenal and the way it set your country up by supplying hizbollah with arms against Israel (could it have been to pull the world's eyes off them for a minute?) and then the first thing in the news after the cease fire is how completely uncooperative they are being regarding the nukes ... I wouldn't want to be anywhere near them or for that matter the country they hate the most Israel.

Danny the devastation of a nuclear attack and the fallout from it is unbelievable.

"Dear God, please let the religious fanatics the world over see the wickedness in their own hearts. Please let them wake up and finally understand it is not your intent for people to murder over religion. Please let them find understanding in their souls and peace toward all human beings in their hearts."

~sorc

[SilverSpear]

Originally Posted by sorceror

From Robert:"Dan, the group you want in power sneak and blow things up. They make bad decisions like attacking Israel, and base their decisions on emotion instead of logic. They are not leadership material. You keep saying "They are Lebanese", and "they are the only ones that can protect Lebanon", etc. etc... DAN!! Come on friend... They caused the destruction of your country just now... I mean.. think about it. You want these guys running your country? You won't have a country left! They just proved their ability to make sound decisions with a whopper of a mistake. And....it's not their first whopper of a mistake, is it?"

I might add ... they caused the deaths of 1000 as well.

Danny your rhetoric was rather lengthy so I will say this. How can a country have four different armies all based on religion and hope to ever win anything? I would hate to see what would happen to armies all over the world if religion became a reason for their troops not to fight or for that matter to fight. Most countries of the world's armies have many different religions making up the fighting men.

Say the US did back your, Tayyar el Watani, Would one or two parts of your very own army rebel? Wouldn't that piss off some religious fanatic somewhere?

QUIT BLAMING THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND HER PEOPLE FOR THE WOES IN THE MIDDLE EAST!

Sorceror, that what I was trying to explain all along, Hezballah's tactics is not based anymore on sneaking and blowing, that was long time ago when they didn't have spy probes, Katyushas, heat seeking missiles, or even AK 47's.
DID YOU GET THAT PART ABOVE? That is not HEZBALLAH ANYMORE, they don't sneak and blow anymore.... do you have any incident Hezballah did from the marines thing in 1983 ??? tell me?

I think you also didn't get what I said about the army. let me give you an example:
The Fifth brigade was composed in 1990 from 95% Christians and 5% Sunnis and Druzes. The Eighth brigade also...

Now ALL brigades became mixed up equally following the four religions. Each brigade is 25% Christian, 25% Sunnis, 25% Shias and 25% Druzes (approx figures give or take).

In Lebanon we cannot survive unless all religions accept one another (its a shame but this is how we are divided). We are the only country in the middle east which has that much religions. The Tayyar el Watani is the first, only and most rational group ever formed that is accepting all religions with no discrimination, and this is how our country should be build for peace to reign over.

The era of force is not in our blood anymore and not in the blood of the Tayyar el Watanim, they are a peaceful organization seeking reform in the Government core, MODERNIZATION (as you all want) and is accepted by the majority of the people. They are the only PEOPLE who have influence over Hezballah to hand down their weapons... Trust me on this.

Originally Posted by sorceror

With Iran refusing to cooperate with the rest of the world in its attempt to build a nuclear arsenal and the way it set your country up by supplying hizbollah with arms against Israel (could it have been to pull the world's eyes off them for a minute?) and then the first thing in the news after the cease fire is how completely uncooperative they are being regarding the nukes ... I wouldn't want to be anywhere near them or for that matter the country they hate the most Israel.

Danny the devastation of a nuclear attack and the fallout from it is unbelievable.

"Dear God, please let the religious fanatics the world over see the wickedness in their own hearts. Please let them wake up and finally understand it is not your intent for people to murder over religion. Please let them find understanding in their souls and peace toward all human beings in their hearts."

~sorc

Iran did support Hezballah through funds and weapons, I admit it. but where is the influence of Iran over Hezballah? how they are controlling them... But what I can say for Iran is thank you for supporting us in this war against Israel, without you the Israelis would have invaded all Lebanon and reached the presidential palace and humilate our president as it did in 1983.

On the other hand, Iran is doing a huge mistake if it wants to literally Nuke Israel. Ahmad Najadi must be a nutcase and something should be done about it...
But I doubt he is that crazy, he will not do it...

Anyways what I will say is that it was great knowing you all, you are all good folks and best of luck in your lives

[RSVX]

Originally Posted by SilverSpear

Sorceror, that what I was trying to explain all along, Hezballah's tactics is not based anymore on sneaking and blowing, that was long time ago when they didn't have spy probes, Katyushas, heat seeking missiles, or even AK 47's.
DID YOU GET THAT PART ABOVE? That is not HEZBALLAH ANYMORE, they don't sneak and blow anymore....

So... who is it that was firing rockets into civillian areas in Isreal?

And dont give me that tit for tat crap either... if Hezbollah is so damn righteous, they wouldnt resort to something that the KNEW would do nothing more than piss off Isreal even more.

[sorceror]

Originally Posted by SilverSpear

Sorceror, that what I was trying to explain all along, Hezballah's tactics is not based anymore on sneaking and blowing, that was long time ago when they didn't have spy probes, Katyushas, heat seeking missiles, or even AK 47's.
DID YOU GET THAT PART ABOVE? That is not HEZBALLAH ANYMORE, they don't sneak and blow anymore.... do you have any incident Hezballah did from the marines thing in 1983 ??? tell me?

I think you also didn't get what I said about the army. let me give you an example:
The Fifth brigade was composed in 1990 from 95% Christians and 5% Sunnis and Druzes. The Eighth brigade also...

Now ALL brigades became mixed up equally following the four religions. Each brigade is 25% Christian, 25% Sunnis, 25% Shias and 25% Druzes (approx figures give or take).

In Lebanon we cannot survive unless all religions accept one another (its a shame but this is how we are divided). We are the only country in the middle east which has that much religions. The Tayyar el Watani is the first, only and most rational group ever formed that is accepting all religions with no discrimination, and this is how our country should be build for peace to reign over.

The era of force is not in our blood anymore and not in the blood of the Tayyar el Watanim, they are a peaceful organization seeking reform in the Government core, MODERNIZATION (as you all want) and is accepted by the majority of the people. They are the only PEOPLE who have influence over Hezballah to hand down their weapons... Trust me on this.



Iran did support Hezballah through funds and weapons, I admit it. but where is the influence of Iran over Hezballah? how they are controlling them... But what I can say for Iran is thank you for supporting us in this war against Israel, without you the Israelis would have invaded all Lebanon and reached the presidential palace and humilate our president as it did in 1983.

On the other hand, Iran is doing a huge mistake if it wants to literally Nuke Israel. Ahmad Najadi must be a nutcase and something should be done about it...
But I doubt he is that crazy, he will not do it...

Anyways what I will say is that it was great knowing you all, you are all good folks and best of luck in your lives

Goodbye Danny you seem like one of the nicer terrorists I will ever encounter.

When Iran starts setting off the nukes or has some kind of bad accident, please feel free to go outside your door and take a few very deep breaths of the radioactive fall out, it may clear your head.