2006 Subaru Challenge in Maryland **AutoX Meet** - Page 3

benebob · #31 06-16-2006, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiketkd

This is the difference in body roll people typically see with a large front sway bar -

My car at an autoX 2 weekends ago with the stock bar (late apex corner):

'06 WRX with bigger front sway bar:

The bar really keeps the front end level in tight corners and reduces the amount of 'dive' on the outside front wheel - which in turns the amount of unloading on the diagonally opposed rear wheel.

But you're forgetting that the body roll isn't always a bad thing but too tight of a suspension always is a bad thing. Must find the happy medium or you'll kill the car in the process!

drivemusicnow · #32 06-16-2006, 12:04 PM

I figured this would be as good a place as any...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...DME:L:RTQ:US:1

Auction for 225/50/16 race tires... decent tires that aren't sold anymore. He wants 100$ for them. (If i didn't have 5 other bills to pay for various car things I'd buy these)

Chiketkd · #33 06-16-2006, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by benebob

But you're forgetting that the body roll isn't always a bad thing but too tight of a suspension always is a bad thing. Must find the happy medium or you'll kill the car in the process!

From what experienced D-stock autoXers have told me, this is the bar to go with. There's a larger 32mm front swaybar that really pushes the limits. This bar seems to be that happy medium - it still allows some bodyroll in the turns, but increases front-end grip and improves turn-in dramatically.

SSSVX · #34 06-17-2006, 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by svxfiles

Great job Kid!

But I'm worried, it looks like you're leaning to the left!

Just see this picture.

I'm quite worried too, but it looks very funny.

"Hello Tom K, did you get to see what color did she wear?"*

*

benebob · #35 06-17-2006, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiketkd

From what experienced D-stock autoXers have told me, this is the bar to go with. There's a larger 32mm front swaybar that really pushes the limits. This bar seems to be that happy medium - it still allows some bodyroll in the turns, but increases front-end grip and improves turn-in dramatically.

Problem is you're dealing with the tuner class. Not the racer classes. Everything to them is all about bigger is better when in reality it'll make the car much harder to drive. Your best bang for the buck is with a set of used r compounds which will get you about .5 to a full second on most courses. If you learn to drive a car that is set up w/o them when you do go to them you're tire costs will be 2x as much as you'll overdrive the tires.

Then again, you can't brag about tires as much as a stiffer bar increases your manhood.

Chiketkd · #36 06-17-2006, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by benebob

Problem is you're dealing with the tuner class. Not the racer classes. Everything to them is all about bigger is better when in reality it'll make the car much harder to drive. Your best bang for the buck is with a set of used r compounds which will get you about .5 to a full second on most courses. If you learn to drive a car that is set up w/o them when you do go to them you're tire costs will be 2x as much as you'll overdrive the tires.

Then again, you can't brag about tires as much as a stiffer bar increases your manhood.

R-comps and a spare set of '06 WRX D-stock legal wheels are my next planned upgrade. I would also agree with you 100% - once you switch to r-comps you'll have to re-learn how to drive the car all over again as braking and handling are greatly improved (acceleration out of tight turns can also improve).

About the stiffer bar thing...that's just wrong!

drivemusicnow · #37 06-17-2006, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiketkd

From what experienced D-stock autoXers have told me, this is the bar to go with. There's a larger 32mm front swaybar that really pushes the limits. This bar seems to be that happy medium - it still allows some bodyroll in the turns, but increases front-end grip and improves turn-in dramatically.

You seem to do your research... My dad is looking for 1 or both stabilizer bars... This is a wagon 02 WRX... street driven, he can drive, will probably be autocrossing and wants to go as stiff as he can without reducing grip in the end.

drivemusicnow · #38 06-17-2006, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by benebob

Problem is you're dealing with the tuner class. Not the racer classes. Everything to them is all about bigger is better when in reality it'll make the car much harder to drive. Your best bang for the buck is with a set of used r compounds which will get you about .5 to a full second on most courses. If you learn to drive a car that is set up w/o them when you do go to them you're tire costs will be 2x as much as you'll overdrive the tires.

Then again, you can't brag about tires as much as a stiffer bar increases your manhood.

I dunno if i'd agree with that neccesarily... Many times when driving a stock susp. car, you tear the heck out of the tires because of the geometry causing toe/camber upon compression. many people rip up the outside of the tires on their cars.

I still find the term "overdriving the tires" a bit... out there.

Chiketkd · #39 06-17-2006, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by drivemusicnow

You seem to do your research... My dad is looking for 1 or both stabilizer bars... This is a wagon 02 WRX... street driven, he can drive, will probably be autocrossing and wants to go as stiff as he can without reducing grip in the end.

If your dad just daily drives his '02 Wagon, I'd suggest going with the 25mm front & rear swaybars from Cobb (www.cobbtuning.com/). That'll tighten up his handling!

benebob · #40 06-17-2006, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiketkd

R-comps and a spare set of '06 WRX D-stock legal wheels are my next planned upgrade. I would also agree with you 100% - once you switch to r-comps you'll have to re-learn how to drive the car all over again as braking and handling are greatly improved (acceleration out of tight turns can also improve).

About the stiffer bar thing...that's just wrong!

MMMM... Then why do most national level drivers on tend to delete em... Or were you talking about your manhood.

benebob · #41 06-17-2006, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by drivemusicnow

I dunno if i'd agree with that neccesarily... Many times when driving a stock susp. car, you tear the heck out of the tires because of the geometry causing toe/camber upon compression. many people rip up the outside of the tires on their cars.

I still find the term "overdriving the tires" a bit... out there.

I said stock set up. Not necessarily a stock alignment. They are 2 totally seperate things. Remember if you put bias ply slicks on there it'll be better than going with r compounds as slicks don't need assanine amounts of camber to function properly. Many people rip the outside of their tires because 1. their tires suck or 2. they don't have the right tire for the alignment they have. A sway bar has nothing to do with it. Remember a Lotus 7 has no front bar at all and it would outhandle anything you can throw at it provided you can get that coventry climax started.

SVXRide · #42 06-17-2006, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by benebob

Problem is you're dealing with the tuner class. Not the racer classes. Everything to them is all about bigger is better when in reality it'll make the car much harder to drive. Your best bang for the buck is with a set of used r compounds which will get you about .5 to a full second on most courses. If you learn to drive a car that is set up w/o them when you do go to them you're tire costs will be 2x as much as you'll overdrive the tires.

Then again, you can't brag about tires as much as a stiffer bar increases your manhood.

Well said, Brother Ben!

-Bill
p.s. and yes, it is possible to "over drive" R comp tires, especially if you don't have a sprayer to cool them down between runs ;-)
p.p.s and this is what happens if you go with too much bar on the rear (yes, I moved the end links back to the 'stock' location after this event...)

Chiketkd · #43 06-18-2006, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by benebob

MMMM... Then why do most national level drivers on tend to delete em... Or were you talking about your manhood.

Actually, National level WRX drivers (in the D-Stock class only) run the biggest front swaybar possible. I'm getting my info from WRX drivers who have competed at Nationals and compete locally in the Philly, DC, VA and NC regions.

I'm just trying to get as much seat time as possible in my first true autoX season - and hopefully I'll be competitive this Sept when the Subaru Challenge rolls around.

Chiketkd · #44 06-18-2006, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by SVXRide

p.p.s and this is what happens if you go with too much bar on the rear (yes, I moved the end links back to the 'stock' location after this event...)

Don't have to worry about that 'Brother Bill' as I'm not touching my rear swaybar to be 'truly' D-stock legal...

benebob · #45 06-18-2006, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiketkd

Actually, National level WRX drivers (in the D-Stock class only) run the biggest front swaybar possible. I'm getting my info from WRX drivers who have competed at Nationals and compete locally in the Philly, DC, VA and NC regions.

I'm just trying to get as much seat time as possible in my first true autoX season - and hopefully I'll be competitive this Sept when the Subaru Challenge rolls around.

And 99% of them do it because it compensates for their manhood. I hear the opposite from most of the drivers I talk to and know but then again these guys have been around for years and don't need bananas if you know what I mean.