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Old 08-25-2007, 11:44 AM
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There is a lot more going on behind the general posts right now on this whole situation. I will not go into that, but this will be reviewed and we will go from there. I feel that this got out of hand mainly because of us not giving out time outs way before this situation got out of control. The future goal will be to take care of these problems before they get out of control. Time outs may be issued sooner than later. It has been our (the mods and admin) goal not to issue time outs unless they are absolutly needed. That will continue to be the case, but they may be issued sooner to avoid situations like this. I was out of town for over a week and was not able to stay on top of this situation like I would have liked. We will go from there. Don't panic, this is not a power trip, but only a clarification on what may be happening in the future. If you post for the good of the order, and post like most do here, great. If you break the rules by dumping fuel on the fire when members have a disagreement, bait others, or are not a good family member, then you may want to evaluate your actions. Thanks for you support, or in other cases, I hope you can support us.
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Exactly. A group of individuals who desire power, have power.
I know you are saying this a little tongue in cheek Trevor because of the broad smile.

The admins here get castigated if somebody who is willing to make the forums testy and combative because that's the way they like things is NOT pulled up or reined in by the mods.

When the admins eventually make a move on a repeat offender, we get the power trip jokes from a different section with a different point of view.

C'est la vie.

At the end of the day the ONLY power we have against recidivists who are happy dishing insults when they are "challenged" is to ban their butts.

It would make our job a lot easier if those of a combative bent would take the hint; keep crapping on the doorstep, you will be asked to leave.

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Old 08-25-2007, 03:46 PM
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Old 08-25-2007, 04:25 PM
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no way - i'm the master baiter!
why yes, yes you are sir.

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Old 08-25-2007, 05:19 PM
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Old 08-25-2007, 07:06 PM
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sorry to hear ben got banned but it is good to know the scales still work

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The scales are definitely way out of balance!!!

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Old 08-25-2007, 11:08 PM
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Old 08-25-2007, 11:39 PM
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The scales are definitely way out of balance!!!

Lee

Damn... these two threads are like crack... sorry to keep dragging this out but this needs to be cleared up...

This is NOT Jasons first time doing something like this... Infact it is not Jason's 5th time of obviously breaking the rules of this message board. Ben on the other hand, may be hot headed, has not overstepped the lines of the board on so many occasions on so many different topics.

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Old 08-26-2007, 04:17 AM
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The scales are definitely way out of balance!!!

Lee
I'm sorry you see things that way Lee, and I have no way of knowing how much of the background antagonism you have read or kept up with.

The general situation we had to deal with was one of personal animosity between two or more members. Warnings were issued that the tone of the posts [plus the tone of signatures!! ] was way out of line with Network rules.

So far out of line we were aware of members leaving the forum because they were fed up with the constant aggravation.

The posting rules thread is stickied, and everybody posting here is supposed to know what the few rules are and observe them. The Mods consider this an adult forum, and so we apply a hands-off approach on account of this, letting members push the boundaries and express their opinions in a robust or in a jocose fashion all the time.

Until it degrades to insults and name calling and veiled threats that is, then we advise and warn.

In this situation the limited sanctions available to us were applied in sequence.

Warnings were given.

Time out was given

[multiple repeat behaviour after time-out=> ]

Permanent ban is effected.


Exactly as outlined in Infractions of the Rules.

And yes, this does also imply that Benebob will qualify for a permanent ban if he comes back and consistently breaks the rules after his time-out, just as happened with Jason.

Nobody pays me for being a Moderator, and I accepted the position when asked because I knew I was dealing with a large number of people I like who behave responsibly. I have better things to be doing with my time than constantly, constantly and repeatedly warning and advising aggressive posters they are breaking the rules.

Hopefully this discussion will mean that warnings will be taken seriously in future, we will have less aggressive and insulting posts, and we Mods can all go home because there is nobody to ban.

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Old 08-26-2007, 04:31 AM
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so then it is ok to have one member try and set off another member knowing one might get permantly banned in this proceeding? It is like an instagator instagating a problem and making it worse.. an instagator is the one who predicts an outcome for himself... in this out come i feel deprived..
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Old 08-26-2007, 04:38 AM
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despise ones remarks, one battles another member and gets that member banned permantely. it seems ok for one to set off anotha but when someone pisses off someone who has already been warned, it seems like more then one is trying to get 1 banned...
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Old 08-26-2007, 05:29 AM
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If you read all the posts you will see there is an element of truth in what you surmise.

Read Earl's post above. The Mods have been reluctant to interfere [other than advise and warn] in personal "battles" as you put it. For this reason we have been reluctant to hand out "time-outs", we don't want to restrict free speech, nor do we particularly want to be bolshie.

However in future this will change. Anybody who winds up another member who has had time out will himself get time out. Pretty quickly.

That way the playing field will be levelled. Both will be eligible for a ban.

Maybe that way they will both wake up and play by the rules that everyone else observes.

This is not the place for battles. Play on some other forum if that's your style.

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Old 08-26-2007, 05:42 AM
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Eh, I've read almost all of the stuff that went on and all I have to say is that when someone "instigates" something, that doesn't give you the right to start bashing the heck out of them. You can't blame someone else for your own poor behavior.
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Old 08-26-2007, 07:20 AM
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