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Old 08-25-2009, 03:50 PM
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Re: Please no more

This is no reflection on Tom's dilemma with PMs, but I have spent an hour or two using the search function and it's the pits.

I mean just for starters it will not return ANY result for a word of 3 letters or less. This means that a search for ABS will give you zilch and a search for TPS the exact same result.

It is not possible to make it return a selective result from a series of words, it will instead return every thread or every post [as requested] with EITHER or ANY of the words.

It is not possible to request a Boolean return of information, by forcing it to return only results with all selected words rather than any of the selected words.

It is not possible to search the How To forum, because that is not a true database, it is more like an album of pictures, and there is no search mechanism.

In all of the various searches I ran to see what members could find, the commonest returns of results were of two types; zero results and 500 results. And at that I was using the advanced search, restricting it to posts from a particular member, or restricting it to return results from the Technical Forum only, for instance.

I'm no expert in database administration but I strongly suspect that the search function is deliberately designed to be non selective, because a better search function would put more work, more load on the servers during searches. So the guys in Jelsoft probably opted to leave a crappy search function in place.

But man oh man it seriously, seriously sucks.

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Old 08-25-2009, 04:33 PM
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No doubt by calling a spade a spade, I will again $hit in my own nest. However I could not care less, so here goes ---

Why is it that “Subaru SVX” recorded as a googly search, results in Subaru SVX World Forums coming up on the third page, and no record of this site by page eight, at which point I gave up?

Why when “Subaru SVX forums” is recorded as a googly search, does Subaru SVX World Forums appear at the top of page one, then again on pages two, three and eight, at which point I again gave up without discovering any lead to this site.

It does not take much brain power, to understand why the opposition has advanced so quickly.

Yes, I am a nasty thorn in your foot.
Because they are likely using Google addsense and also they have a search function on the site... Ya gotta know what it takes to get onto before you start to make assumptions. i still don't know all the things they put into consideration when chosing the priority of sites in a search

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Old 08-25-2009, 04:48 PM
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Because they are likely using Google addsense and also they have a search function on the site... Ya gotta know what it takes to get onto before you start to make assumptions. i still don't know all the things they put into consideration when chosing the priority of sites in a search

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Old 08-25-2009, 04:58 PM
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Re: Please no more

use the "+" feature when searching to find common connection

use the "-" feature when searching to exclude word

use the "your phrase here with quotes around it" feature when searching to find a phrase

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Old 08-25-2009, 05:26 PM
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use the "+" feature when searching to find common connection

use the "-" feature when searching to exclude word

use the "your phrase here with quotes around it" feature when searching to find a phrase

abs svx led cel egr hat off gas lsd
Sorry Subiemech. Please explain. Are you suggesting these search functions will work well with Google?

Because I have just explained none of them will return restricted search results on this forum.

In fact the unkindest cut of all; if you search our forums for the word SVX or svx, it invariably returns no results. Just how bad a search function can that be?

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Re: Please no more

I blame Chris...

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Old 08-25-2009, 05:39 PM
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Re: Please no more

GOOGLE svx
click on second option from top

"test" the "+" function search "abs+light"


they do work for GOOGLE and here
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SubaruSVX.com comes up top of the list, on my Mac as well, but our site is “The Subaru SVX World Network”
Yes but the website itself is called subaru-svx.net, the other forum actually is svxworldforum.com...
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Old 08-25-2009, 06:10 PM
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they do work for GOOGLE and here
They do work for Google.

They don't work for here.

I searched abs light here. Got 371 results

I then searched abs+light. Whaddya know? Got 371 results.

Thats because it is returning results only for the word "light", which, surprise surprise returns, you guessed it, 371 results!

Those functions do not work with our search engine. You should check things out before you claim they will work, or before you assume the results you got are compiled in the way you expected.
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Cool, so that "idiot block" we put into place is working...
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hey dave:

did he PM you?
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They do work for Google.

They don't work for here.

I searched abs light here. Got 371 results

I then searched abs+light. Whaddya know? Got 371 results.

Thats because it is returning results only for the word "light", which, surprise surprise returns, you guessed it, 371 results!

Those functions do not work with our search engine. You should check things out before you claim they will work, or before you assume the results you got are compiled in the way you expected.
you're doing it wrong!!
you did NOT follow my directions
NDIR
you left out ""

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Search took 1.99 seconds. Search: Key Word(s): "abs, light"
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Old 08-26-2009, 01:59 AM
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you're doing it wrong!!
you did NOT follow my directions
NDIR
you left out ""

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Search took 1.99 seconds. Search: Key Word(s): "abs, light"
Man, you are not even following your own conventions here. Your directions were "abs+light", yet here you now contend "abs, light" will work as a search here.

It will not and does not work on this forum.

To reiterate:

Search parameters are search all open forums, thread titles only, at least 0 replies, any date, return in order of last posting date.
  1. "abs, light" returns 484 results
  2. "abs+light" returns 484 results
  3. "abs light" returns 484 results
  4. "light" returns 484 results
  5. light returns 484 results
  6. "abs" returns "Sorry - no matches. Please try some different terms."
  7. abs returns "Sorry - no matches. Please try some different terms."

I don't know how you evaluate searches, but to me that indicates what I said above.
  • The Forum search engine does not work for phrases enclosed in inverted commas
  • It does not search for ANY word of less than four letters
  • It ignores "+" instructions
  • It ignores "," instructions
  • It ignores "AND" instructions

What would be very useful for members would be if we could configure the site so that the Google search engine could search the complete forum. If we could set that in place then all these useful functions for inclusion or exclusion would actually work, and members could run decent searches that would pull up a smaller number of more relevant results.

Meanwhile with the search function we have in place you would probably be quicker just reading all the Technical forums back to day 1 to find your answers.

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Kia ora Joe,

At long last you have experienced the frustration involved in ensuring that what has been posted is correct. Even when you personally have exact and physical evidence you have to hammer away at your subject.

Congratulations for sticking with the facts.

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did he PM you?
no he wanted to post it up so it was searchable.
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