ECUtune Stage 2v6 ethanol, e85, flex fuel, turbo, supercharger, force induction

[benebob]

Originally Posted by Phast SVX

It allows for tons more ignition advance on a NA motor. 3.3L with 10:1 compression running 6 or 7 degrees more of advance will give you big power.
phil

Correction. It will give you bigger power up high, worse down low equaling itself out for the most part. You won't run any faster around a track but you will be able to get into the mine anatomy is bigger arguement with a H2 driver after going to a dyno.

[Earthworm]

Lets race for the first SVX dyno pull on E85

[TomsSVX]

more timing will give you power up top as well as down low. ESP. with such a low geared tranny like a stock SVX has it needs all the power and torque it can get to get it's ass moving.

Tom

[oab_au]

Why would you want to run it all the time. Is it the cheaper cost? for it sure isn't because it is good to run. It has more problems associated with it, than its advantages. Sure it has a higher latent heat of evaporation, but this also makes it a pig to get going in the cold.

The really only advantages of Alcohol is its ability to run very high compression ratios. I mean like 14/15:1. This is where the power comes from, not the fuel itself. To run it on a low ratio will achieve nothing compared to the problems it will cause.

The benefits that can be obtained by using it in a blown car, can be had by using water injection, or fogging Alcohol into the manifold, when boost starts. The rest of the time you have the easy start, no corrosion, good mileage of petrol.

Now tell me I have missed the point, because I am set in my ways like Beav. and can't accept something new.


Harvey.

[TomsSVX]

because it looks like in a couple years you won't be able to afford the $7 per gallon that gas is going to cost. Not to mention other things like smog. WOW i cannot believe how many people are so terrified of E85 and so hung up on gasoline.... Get ready people, Gas isn't going to be around for ever

Tom

[benebob]

Originally Posted by TomsSVX

because it looks like in a couple years you won't be able to afford the $7 per gallon that gas is going to cost. Not to mention other things like smog. WOW i cannot believe how many people are so terrified of E85 and so hung up on gasoline.... Get ready people, Gas isn't going to be around for ever

Tom

Neither will ethanol my friend. Read up on it and you'll find out the truth.

Still waiting for that affordable hydrogen car W. promised me in 4 more years!

[SVXRide]

Fuel cell....repeat after me....Fuel cell

-Bill

[oab_au]

Originally Posted by TomsSVX

because it looks like in a couple years you won't be able to afford the $7 per gallon that gas is going to cost. Not to mention other things like smog. WOW i cannot believe how many people are so terrified of E85 and so hung up on gasoline.... Get ready people, Gas isn't going to be around for ever

Tom

Tom surly you don't believe that the price of E85 is going to stay cheaper that petrol. Human nature says, sell it for as much as the suckers will pay.

Having used it for racing,.yes I am terrified of having to use it for everyday use. LPG,. and Natural gas are much easier to use, much easier to produce and in more plentifully supply. Using all the food growing areas, to produce a fuel for cars, instead of fuel for humans, makes no sense.

I have also used water injection to allow 14 lbs boost on a 9:1 side valve engine, when our fuel was 85 octane.

Harvey.

[TomsSVX]

Harvey, from day 1 I have expressed my lacking appreciation for meth/water injection as much as I hate VRO pumps on 2 cycle engines. For the simple fact that it is external. Anyway if you don't want to run E85... then don't. If you do, then do it. Either way I could give a crap less what anyone else wants to do. I see an oportunity to make more power and save some cash. I also see that it will reduce our overflow of crops being grown for no reason. I don't know if you know Harvey but in the US the gov't pays farmers to overgrow their crops in order to keep the food prices stabilized. So this excess can now stop being thrown out and turned into an effective fuel. Will it be the best thign ever?? of course not will it work for now?? You are goddamn right it will

Tom

[longassname]

I don't want to get into promoting any particular fuel. I'm just making the software that was asked for the the fuel that is begining to become available at the pump. But.......

You just brought up some of the economic issues regarding "alternative" fuels that really do deserve commenting on.

Yes, business like to charge a price that maximizes total profits. They measure the elasticity of demand which is the effect of a price change on the amount of consumption and set the price at the point where the amount that will be demanded has them operating at the production level that gives them the maximium total profit over the operating period. In the gasoline business they are experts at this. That little satellite dish on the roof of the gas station is part of the communication between the station and headquarters. Sales information is beamed to headquarters where the big computer monitors the effects of price changes on sales and calculates how much they can raise the price without decreasing sales volume enough that total profit decreases instead of increases. Then they beam back to the gas station how much to raise the price or if they overdid it yesterday how much to lower it today. Because most people will not go out of their way to save a few cents per gallon when the neighboring station raises their price 1, 2, or 3 cents depending on how lazy me, you, and your neighbors are not enough people go the cheaper station to make it not worth their while to raise the price too. In fact when the big computer at the headquarters of the competing station sees the very small increase in business it says hey we can raise the price tomorrow by so many cents. Gasoline prices continue to creep up.

There is no doubt that this very same system will be used for E85 sales and the price of E85 will be determined in just the same way. I have absolutely no idea where the price of E85 will be next year but I do know the effect having an alternative fuel will have on the pricing of gasoline. An alternative makes the demand for gasoline more elastic. Price increases cause more customers to shoot the bird to their gasoline provider and use the alternative. The big computer calculates this and doesn't rais the price tomorrow by 1,2, or 3 cents.

Originally Posted by oab_au

Tom surly you don't believe that the price of E85 is going to stay cheaper that petrol. Human nature says, sell it for as much as the suckers will pay.

Having used it for racing,.yes I am terrified of having to use it for everyday use. LPG,. and Natural gas are much easier to use, much easier to produce and in more plentifully supply. Using all the food growing areas, to produce a fuel for cars, instead of fuel for humans, makes no sense.

I have also used water injection to allow 14 lbs boost on a 9:1 side valve engine, when our fuel was 85 octane.

Harvey.

[oab_au]

I suppose if you have to run on E85, you might as well get the best out of it.

You could build a NA engine on a 14:1 comp ratio, and rev it to 9000.

Harvey.

[NeedForSpeed]

Michael,

I read the NAO... thread on ethanol, very interesting.

Could we use the gas code stage2v6 with 30% larger injectors and e85? Would that be better than stock injectors and the e85 code when using e85?

If stock injectors are limited in flow, are we asking for 30% more flow from stock injectors when running e85 programming and e85 fuel?

Thanks, and good work!

Originally Posted by longassname

It's the same switching mechanism as always and can be switched on the fly. When going from E85 to gasoline you will want to switch on the fly. When going from gasoline to E85 you'll want to switch before you start or imediately after on the fly.

[NeedForSpeed]

Harvey,

The best California premium is 91 octane, and I know our high comp engines need more octane than that.

e85 is 15% gasoline, but those using e85 said a couple gallons of gasoline per tank helps the cold weather starting.

Another reason to use e85 may be to pass smog tests. As the cats age, it becomes increasingly difficult to pass the tests in the strict states.

Can't buy it publicly in Northern California, not yet.

Originally Posted by oab_au

Why would you want to run it all the time. Is it the cheaper cost? for it sure isn't because it is good to run. It has more problems associated with it, than its advantages. Sure it has a higher latent heat of evaporation, but this also makes it a pig to get going in the cold.

The really only advantages of Alcohol is its ability to run very high compression ratios. I mean like 14/15:1. This is where the power comes from, not the fuel itself. To run it on a low ratio will achieve nothing compared to the problems it will cause.

The benefits that can be obtained by using it in a blown car, can be had by using water injection, or fogging Alcohol into the manifold, when boost starts. The rest of the time you have the easy start, no corrosion, good mileage of petrol.

Now tell me I have missed the point, because I am set in my ways like Beav. and can't accept something new.


Harvey.

[TomsSVX]

Originally Posted by NeedForSpeed

Michael,

I read the NAO... thread on ethanol, very interesting.

Could we use the gas code stage2v6 with 30% larger injectors and e85? Would that be better than stock injectors and the e85 code when using e85?

If stock injectors are limited in flow, are we asking for 30% more flow from stock injectors when running e85 programming and e85 fuel?

Thanks, and good work!

I am not positive when I say this but i believe the E85 code also has more timing as well as fuel...

Tom

[Phast SVX]

Well despite terrential rain and cold i put in 2v6 only to find out that both gas stations are out of e85 until wed...attendent said that they had beel selling more in the last couple weeks then in the last year. Ill be making a boose run on wed. The store owner who was attending the desk was pretty interested in my project as he was trying to make sure i knew i couldnt run it if i wasnt affv, and gave me the stores number to call and make sure that the truck came so i dont have to waste an hour long trip

phil