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Old 03-16-2010, 11:46 PM
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Re: Where is vin 001?

Isn't 001 always supposed to be the car that stays in a manufacturer's museum?
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Old 03-16-2010, 11:54 PM
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The earliest one I have on record is in the US - #100041 - a LS-L manufactured 3/91. It is a California car owned by S'ko - Liquid Silver with 160,000 miles.
Man I wished I wrote down the details of a few 1991s we had here.
There were atleast two in christchurch. I looked at one. This was before I joined up with this site.
Got told they were some trial cars for the local subaru delerships.
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Isn't 001 always supposed to be the car that stays in a manufacturer's museum?
Isnt it the one that is consided a unlucky number and gets crushed?

Because didnt that happen with the 1st 22b?

Also ive heard it happen to other cars that were the 1st to come off the production line?
Or they call drop the 001 and call it 002 etc

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Old 03-17-2010, 12:05 AM
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Re: Where is vin 001?

My understanding is that they don't always start with 001.
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Man I wished I wrote down the details of a few 1991s we had here.
There were atleast two in christchurch. I looked at one. This was before I joined up with this site.
Got told they were some trial cars for the local subaru delerships.
And... any pictures?
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Re: Where is vin 001? White one?

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If it were still the original pearl with the white interior, I might be tempted to try to arrange to see it...

but now it probably just looks like a 93 anniversary edition with a body kit.


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A white one? The one we see in the pics above was re-painted over a silver base. Although I have these pics of the red car for a while I did not study them closely but Ron pointed this out to me lately. You can see that the suspension turrets and the bottom of the bonnet are still painted silver.

That leads me to believe that this actual car is the silver prototype we have so many pictures of. Clues to the continuity would be the 5-spoke wheels, the wide-body wings, the beige leather upholstery, the moulded one-piece spoiler-bootlid, the fact that it is lhd. There could be more than one silver original but my guess is no this is the only one. Maybe that's why they want 25 big ones to ship it.

BTW I disagree that this car looks like an anniversary '93 car for a couple of reasons;
  1. They retained the black roof while painting the trunk, it's not red all over
  2. To my eyes this looks like a metallic red, not a solid red like Barcelona or Brilliant

Where is the white one? Have you any pictures? I've never seen a white wide body car.

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Re: Where is vin 001?

There is the car depicted in the Active Safety Vehicle brochure which may be a prototype that seems to be silver and has the white interior. See photos HERE.

Compare the two photographs of the interior. One appears to have two-tome white with light beige inserts; the other seems to have white seats. Photographs can be deceiving (more on that below)


And then there is the pearlie which is shown at the 1989 Tokyo Motor Show.



Since it was never seen by us in person, is it possible that the photo above is actually a brightly-lit silver car, or an overexposed photo? Or is it the original silver car from the ASV brochure painted pearl for the show (leaving the strut towers and underhood the original silver). It could then have been repainted again from pearl white to red (leaving the same original silver parts)



Possibilities:

1. Prototype(s) were silver and repainted pearl
2. Prototyp(s) were always silver, never repainted, and appears pearl in photographs.
3. Red car(s) were originally silver.
4. The pearl and silver cars are separate vehicles. The silvers ones were repainted red and the pearl still exists in its original form somewhere (in a field of unicorns)


I also wonder about the beige interior. Why change the interior if the car was repainted red? The white interior would certainly complement the red paint.

Was it a design exercise to see how a beige interior would look with red (anticipating a 25th Anniversary edition), or was it a compromise in developing a lighter interior which was more practical as white?



Joe, I was only being sarcastic about the red car resembling the 93AE. I have seen many red SVXs (all with beige interior) I wanted to see a pearl white one with white interior)

As I said earlier, after more than 22 years, we may never get accurate answers. People at FHI who may have known the actual history could have left and moved away, retired, died, or just can't remember.


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Re: Where is vin 001?

Mmmmmm, that car is just so gorgeous. Why couldn't they all have looked like that?
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Re: Where is vin 001?

You are right Nevin, this is not logical.

The car didn't look too extreme for a prototype since there is a lot of resemblance with the production SVX.

Why did subaru spend more R&D money to reduce that appeal?
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A white one? The one we see in the pics above was re-painted over a silver base. Although I have these pics of the red car for a while I did not study them closely but Ron pointed this out to me lately. You can see that the suspension turrets and the bottom of the bonnet are still painted silver.

That leads me to believe that this actual car is the silver prototype we have so many pictures of. Clues to the continuity would be the 5-spoke wheels, the wide-body wings, the beige leather upholstery, the moulded one-piece spoiler-bootlid, the fact that it is lhd. There could be more than one silver original but my guess is no this is the only one. Maybe that's why they want 25 big ones to ship it.

BTW I disagree that this car looks like an anniversary '93 car for a couple of reasons;
  1. They retained the black roof while painting the trunk, it's not red all over
  2. To my eyes this looks like a metallic red, not a solid red like Barcelona or Brilliant

Where is the white one? Have you any pictures? I've never seen a white wide body car.

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Joe and I have were discussing red SVXes, and the prototype. We have all seen the red concept pics for years, but only recently I studied the open-hood picture, noticing for the first time the silver strut towers. The red car could be the repaint of the silver concept? Joe had the opinion that due to cost, only one concept would have been built. If the red concept IS the silver concept, that could answer that question.

As for Pearl concept, I've always considered the pictured car to be silver, the one on stage looking brighter or more pearl due to lighting, compared to the non-stage postcard photo.

I don't believe the concept would have a VIN, especially not a US VIN. The car is 'one-of-kind', with active suspension, VTD, 4WS, interior, external, etc., clearly, not a refabricated US VIN model. Just my opinion
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Why is it that 4-wheel steering never took off here like it did overseas?
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Re: Where is vin 001? White one?

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Joe and I have were discussing red SVXes, and the prototype. We have all seen the red concept pics for years, but only recently I studied the open-hood picture, noticing for the first time the silver strut towers. The red car could be the repaint of the silver concept? Joe had the opinion that due to cost, only one concept would have been built. If the red concept IS the silver concept, that could answer that question.

As for Pearl concept, I've always considered the pictured car to be silver, the one on stage looking brighter or more pearl due to lighting, compared to the non-stage postcard photo.

I don't believe the concept would have a VIN, especially not a US VIN. The car is 'one-of-kind', with active suspension, VTD, 4WS, interior, external, etc., clearly, not a refabricated US VIN model. Just my opinion
I read years ago (I don't remember where) that the one concept car was originally silver and then painted red. I don't think there was ever a pearl concept car, but it is just the silver one that looks different in different lighting. I have never considered the car in that picture posted by john to be pearl.

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Do we know many of the locations where the concept was shown? Japan in November 89? US when? Where else? Europe? Australia?
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Re: Where is vin 001?

Mike you are right on this one and I can conclude that through the following criteria:

1- The under-hood color is Silver.
2- OEM hood comes in Black primer.
3- OEM hood is painted on both sides by the same color and not different ones.
4- One side silver, the other is red = repainted prototype.
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Concept car was also shown in Auckland in 1989 - I remember because as a teenager I thought the car looked hot - pity I did not have a camera with me back in those days....

where are the pictures of concept car with different color strut towers posted ???

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