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Your last sentence is so insanely true. The majority of religious people aren't like this. It's the spiritual leaders...I don't understand sometimes, maybe it's the power. But they spread it, and the rest kind of follows. And it's some really good people that follow.
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I firmly believe the phrase "don't knock it 'till you've tried it", I have never been a missionary, but I learned enough... Especially about the California Missions. It seems such a shame, if all the energy that is expended on furthering the religion was spent helping people think of what the world would be like.
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I'm not a REDNECK! I am an Appalachian-AMERICAN!! "Can't go to work today. The 'voices' said to "Stay home and clean the guns". Most famous Red-Neck last words... " Hey Everybody, Watch This!!) http://s306.photobucket.com/albums/nn272/subi-crosser/ Jerry |
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As for the religious beliefs, you in the States have a thing towards racism of the Black/White people, right? Let's comsider you are a white man and you call a black man as "nigger", what would his reaction be? He gets really furious, right? for what? does he use as an excuse that thing to get in a fight with you? I don't think so... The same is happening in the Middle East. We have an issue with Religion. Religion is not an excuse, it is rather the CAUSE of the fight over here as the word "NIGGER" is the cause of trouble in the States. You are not able to understand this concept because you are living in a different environment, more civilized than the one I am living in. Over here we are coexisting, it's true, but I just want to show the daily street fights that occur here. There are two regions in Lebanon which are forbibben to the other religions. "Ain el Roummaneh" in the east region of Beirut, is known to be controlled by extremist Christians, let me tell you a story about it: in this region, we have a big statue of Mary holding in her hands and lap Jesus after his crucification. One day, 4 Muslims entered the area on 4 bikes and they started turning their bikes near that statue resulting in a lot of smoke and dust. Around 20 extremists Christians bloked them, and beated them until they fainted. Their bikes were parted . after 2 hours, they got back to their region (West area of Beirut, their region is called the Dahieh) and came back with 50 others thinking they will face those 20 alone. Hehe, they were surprised to see 800 waiting for them with M-16's, AK's, Bats, even women were carrying grenades . The result? Police and Army beaten up, and 12 muslims killed and the others rushed to the hospital. Not one Muslim was spared, and 2 Christians beaten up. Religion in the Middle East is the cause and the consequence, maybe you are not able to comprehend it because you are living in another environment and belief. As much as I love freedom in my country, i also hate and I am afraid from the clashes that might occur in the future.
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Jesus said, " turn the other cheek". But gave no furthur instructions!!! Jerry
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I'm not a REDNECK! I am an Appalachian-AMERICAN!! "Can't go to work today. The 'voices' said to "Stay home and clean the guns". Most famous Red-Neck last words... " Hey Everybody, Watch This!!) http://s306.photobucket.com/albums/nn272/subi-crosser/ Jerry |
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Silverspear yikes, and I thought things like this happened on the Indian Pakistani border.
But then again with the history as wel as the cecumstances of what occurs in your region on a daily basis can make paranoid fanatics out of anyone. As for racism in the US, there is still a undercurrent going on but it is not really wide spread as much as white people shouldn't walk into certain neighborhoods or visa versa unless they are asking to be mugged at gun point or worse. And it is also quite obvious to anyone that intolerance to Muslims is ever growing, even though most users on the internet may not be affected or show it. There is also how the People's Republic of China percieve and handle a "threat to their stability" such as the Falun Gong but they don't mind rap. And another thing is, I am not sure if it is as prominent anymore but in Israel European Jews had a tendancy to look down upon their Arabic brethren, even though that is changing since more are embracing Arabic culture, music and such. Sort of like how in the late 1980s and early 90s white people in the US started to get into African American culture and of course music. Last edited by Weebitob; 02-10-2006 at 01:22 AM. |
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As for "what it is really about"
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They had their families with them, and over a few Coors Lights, confided in my friend, that if they were home, they would have to KILL each other!!! A great time was had by all, and no bloodshed followed the 'picnic'.. PROOF that the "leaders" are the problem, NOT the people!!!! RX, Apply as needed, to releve PAIN!!!! Jerry
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I'm not a REDNECK! I am an Appalachian-AMERICAN!! "Can't go to work today. The 'voices' said to "Stay home and clean the guns". Most famous Red-Neck last words... " Hey Everybody, Watch This!!) http://s306.photobucket.com/albums/nn272/subi-crosser/ Jerry Last edited by subi-crosser; 02-10-2006 at 01:25 AM. |
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Btw, what you mentioned is great. and goes to show that the enviroment does play a large part. But I would also like to see a different opinion. |
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The analogy toward our African American community is sound, but just a little generalized. The word itself is not taboo in the United States, African Americans use it among themselves as almost a blasted endearment. It's just whites have lost their priviledge of saying it, due to our blatant abuse of the word in decades past. I won't even type the word myself, because I feel the African American community is dead right. We lost any rights to that word long ago. But the word itself is not taboo. Most African Americans...and whites look at a person saying it as low class white trash...if they are white, and get uncomfortable when blacks use it among themselves because we don't know how to respond. But very few break out AK-47's. I'll definitely agree on that. This extreme violence is brought on through agitation from the leadership. Someone or maybe some people spread the word of this foul act around the statue and agitated the community.. somebody rallied the troops...even though the bible clearly states the position they have on worshipping idols and statues. I know it sounds offensive, and I truly don't want to be, but religion isn't a good thing. Regardless, it causes more death, and terror in our world more than any other factor. And this includes so called "evil dictators" that my country seems bent on "fixing". Funny, this too is being caused by an extreme "right wing" religious mindset that has control of our country at this time. (But not for much longer. , they are so corrupt, they are getting themselves thrown out.) Just remember, when the Israeli's came marching into Beirut back in the early 80's, that wasn't religion. The Israeli's claim was the continuous guerrilla attacks across their border by Muslim extremists. But.... The Muslims were doing it out of "religion"... or so they say. Canaan included all the land around the penisula, which included where Israel/Palestine is now and also present day Lebanon. Actually, it was quite larger than that, and went beyond both borders. You were all Canaanites prior to Moses and David. It was a huge plot of land at the time. The areas around Lebanon were never conquered by the Israelites. But they sure as heck tried..... for almost a century. The Canaanites were big with carriages back then with a driver and bow equiped sharp shooters. They were EXTREMELY effective with them. But the Israelites would lure them up in the higher elevations, get the carriages stuck in mud, then pick them off. The Canaanites in the Lebanon area had learned from the mistakes by the Canaanites down south, and didn't usually fall in the same traps. The Isrealites were also one of the first societies to start using "embargos" against cities. Surrounding a city, starving them out, and during this time, planting "helpers" within the city walls. They would then attack when the city became weak. And they were extremely vicious attacks that followed a plan of complete anniliation of every man, woman, and child in the city..trying to wipe the race out. If you study the history during the periods of Moses, and his successor David, you immediately pick up on just how bloody things were. They were both pretty ruthless for being "God fearing men". They say God gave him the 10 commandments, but he obviously felt above these laws.
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(sorry but I am giving you live examples just to show you how religion plays an important role in the Middle East so you can understand how things work over here) I was referring to the Likud party in Israel. They have a branch of SWOT team, they are trained not to abide by rules, but rather a mix of police and a heartless killers. They are taught to do anything just to get their goal, even killing other Jews just to nail someone. They have very Unorthodox methods of conduct. Try to dig their teachings if you can online if you want. Let me give you an example: They ask the new trainers (you call them the kadets) to go for example to the third floor of that building and wave from the balcony in exactly 2 mins. How they enter that apartment? they must do anything to get in, even if it was killing the owners, or else they will fail and get kicked out from the party. believe it or not, it is true. As for the the Jews with different mentalities, I am not saying otherwise, they do exist, no doubt about it, but they are a minority. The majority still believe that the next messiah is coming on an army. But I think nowadays they are getting convinced that this will never happen. But let me tell you a fact Weebitob, the Jews have occupied Lebanon at one time, we get used to their way of conduct. The Jew is not a person you can trust concerning his word, he never keeps it. You know in 2000 they withdrew from southern Lebanon, they were expecting the disarmament of Hizbollah over here, but were scr*wed to know that this will not happen as they are still occupying the "Chebaa farms" in Lebanon. Don't think for a moment that they are never interested in Lebanon, in the contrary, they do just to get their hands again on southern part of it because it is a part of David's land. They withdrew because Hizbollah was launching missiles to the heart of Israel and sustaining heavy damage there, and they know it will never stop until they get out and by getting out, Hisbollah will be disarmed. Once that, they will be able to invade it again with no resistance. (PS: our army is very weak, we have no air resistance, we are limited to 6 helicopters used just for transportation and exstinguishing fires ). Pls do believe that Hisbollah's existence is for the sole purpose of Israel's occupation. And let me go further in this subject: Hizbollah is not a terrorist group as the "Al Kaeda". They have no interest in other countries, nor to do terrorist actions. In fact the Lebanese Muslims hate the Palestinians Muslims, in fact they are opposing the fact that they must come to over here and become Lebanese for the fact that "they have their country which is now invaded by Jews, so they must always have the sense of Patriotism for Palestine and never forget about it by coming to Lebanon and become citizens". But in fact both Christians, Druzes and Muslims hate Palestinians because they are more conning than the Jews. How you think the Lebanese war started in 1975? That F*cking @sshole Yasser Arafat was planning to invade our country and have it as Palestine And as you know, France and Britain were occupying the Middle East before we revolted (Egypt, Lebanon, Syria, Iraq...) against them and got our independance by means of force. It is natural that Europe go with Israel against the Arabs at that time just to get revenge, isn't it? And understand the fact that USA is extending free high tech weapons to the Jews for the sole purpose that they have the ability to freeze your economy over there if otherwise is not met, Period. I just cannot understand, why on every Palestinian demand in the UN sessions, only USA uses the Veto? God don't tell me the Jews are always right in their decisions?? Even killing innocent people? this is just not right. The extremists want to wipe out all Palestinians, they even want them exported to the surrounding countries (Jordan, Syria and Lebanon) and claim the whole Palestine as Israel for the Israelis only. They also want chunks of Syria, Lebanon and Jordan because in this way they are preserving their borders from possible attacks and they are taking over the rest of David's promised land. When they invaded Lebanon, Israeli's were Jealous from Lebanon's economy and our touristics attractions. in the 70's the exchange rate was 1USD = 2.5 Lebanese Lira, which is considered extremely good for an economy. Nowadays it became 1USD=1507.5 Lebanese Lira . Israel jsut want to steal Lebanon's success and in consequence develops itself both touristically and natural resources (one of their interests is the Lebanese water resources). So when they attacked Lebanon because of the PLO, they didn't just aim on tanks, they destroyed the infrastructure over here, bridges, electricity, water dams, etc... and each time they make a raid on Lebanon, they just destroy another power plant, causing us to fix it and pay huge amounts for that. We are stuck with 50 billion USD debt, we do not need to drown ourselves by a higher amount. They know what they are doing... As for the concerns from Israeli's attacks, don't get your hopes so high in this case, 3 years ago the Israeli's destroyed a power plant in a Beirut suburb and they are constantly breaking our boundaries by air, twice a week. We are constantly protesting in the UN sessions, but USA is always using its Veto power to go against us, so you are telling me your country now is rightful in doing so? Do you think it is rightful for your country for example to be constantly raided by Canada with no one to stop her? tell me is it right? We are people and we want peace with no one's interfierence, either Palestinians, or Israelis or Syrians or even USA. Is it too much to ask for? Can you stand someone occupying your country by force? I know I don't, what about you?
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Danny 1994 Silver SVX in hybernation, awaiting for the monsterous awakening (Lebanon) 1967 Mercedes-Benz 250SL Euro Specs, Hard/Softtop, White/Red. Under Complete Restoration 2013 Mercedes-Benz SL350 Euro Specs, White/Red. Mint... Another step into SL Collection. |
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An interesting after thought. Most Christians are well aware of the fable involving David and Goliath. I find it interesting we know what happened, but very few people know "where" it happened and under what circumstances. Goliath wasn't attacking David's homeland.....David was attacking theirs....under the justification of God's will.
The rest of the story of course is the complete anniliation of the city's population by David's army. That part wasn't romantic...and I guess they just don't bother going that deep when they tell us the story. The area where the sea was parted for Moses parts on it's own every day when the tide goes out. huh.... That's something to wonder on. OK, I'm going too deep.
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Robert Is Bush in jail yet? (Looks frantically at watch, then back up) How about now? Now? Come onnnnnn...... Someone freeze me until January, this wait is killing me. Update: 09 January, and still not in jail! Wassup?? 1992 Teal LS-L - 160k (Now new and improved with perfect paint!) |
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Frankly Rob, I really forgot the details of the Canaanites, well I studied it when I was 12-13 years old and never got back to it, so no comment on what you said at this time. I don't want to post anything which is not accurate about the subject for the time being.
As for the religious clashes, well the whole middle east problem lies in the supremacy of the Jews (that's what they think of themselves) over the others. They are like Hitler's Nazis but not to the extent the latters were. As long as they are still thinking that way, we will never live in peace again and I am not surprised to see another WW coming. REALLY !!
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I think I'm going to print and bind this one, then sell to the book stores
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.Karl. Southwest members, click here to check in!CA,NV,AZ,UT,NM,OR,CO Wanted...your busted SVX! Watch out Earl, I'm comin to getchya Return of the Pissed Platypus! X2 My dream (other than a pearlie) 1.8 SVXi and a laguna blue spoiler...somewhere I decided to quit drinking, but I didn't like it so I quit not drinking. |
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Robert Is Bush in jail yet? (Looks frantically at watch, then back up) How about now? Now? Come onnnnnn...... Someone freeze me until January, this wait is killing me. Update: 09 January, and still not in jail! Wassup?? 1992 Teal LS-L - 160k (Now new and improved with perfect paint!) |
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