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Old 03-09-2004, 11:45 PM
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The new Saturn Redline with the 200hp turbo option has a lot going for it in my eye.
Please explain what it has going for it. As far as I see, it's from a company that's never made a performance car, it's ugly, and it'd get it's ass handed to it in every category by the SRT-4, which will undoubtedly be cheaper anyway. I don't get it.... why would anyone buy one???

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Old 03-09-2004, 11:47 PM
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Please explain what it has going for it.
It's not a Dodge.
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Old 03-10-2004, 12:12 AM
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Bottom Three

Hi everyone, Well, in no particular order, my least favorites would be

#1/GM
#2/GM
#3/GM

And I give you rech,gag, Aztec.
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Old 03-10-2004, 02:19 AM
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Re: Bottom Three

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Hi everyone, Well, in no particular order, my least favorites would be

#1/GM
#2/GM
#3/GM

And I give you rech,gag, Aztec.
Take care, BOBB

Have to disagree slightly

#1 GM (OZ)
#2 GM (US)
#3 GM (Euro)

No particular order or by whatever name you care to call them

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Old 03-10-2004, 02:45 AM
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3. Isuzu: Just DIE already. You don't even sell any cars, and nobody buys your crappy trucks! DIE! You've been dead since 1985 in my eyes.

- Rob
A good example of what happens when you upset GM. Before GM bought into them, Isuzu were one of the 'Big 3' in the JDM market. Watch out FHI/Subaru!
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Old 03-10-2004, 07:03 AM
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Agreed 1 + 3 100%, and 2 until the 2005 models. The new Saturn Redline with the 200hp turbo option has a lot going for it in my eye.
The Saturn Redline is gonna have a "Supercharged ECO-teck 4 banger"... No turbos for GM... Good on them for trying to attract sales by finally adding some much needed boost to thier 4 cylinder lineup... But when it comes down to it it is still a GM... ...
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Re: Re: Bottom Three

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Have to disagree slightly

#1 GM (OZ)
#2 GM (US)
#3 GM (Euro)

No particular order or by whatever name you care to call them

KennEls

You don't like "Holden" or "Opel"??? I kinda like the Holden cars... Even though they use similar engines to the Chevy line-up
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Re: Re: Worst three...

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2.)Honda
Yea I was gonna put Honda, but I actually like some of thier cars... I love the Mini-van the *Odesey* (sp?)... The Honda Pilot isn't a bad little SUV either... Same big 3.5 V-6 that's in the Mini-Van... And that is a sweet engine too!!! The only thing that I don't like about Honda is that they support the whole "Ricer" scene... They like people turning thier cars into moving circuses... It's stupid... Well you all know the rest
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Rob defended a Neon???? There a shocker! Next I'll find out the Earth is round! Slow down folks!!!!

My list:
1.) ford need I say it again?????
2.) I'll spare listing all the ford divisions seperately and say all things french
3.) Alfa Romeo had some potential but seems to be MIA I loved their concept, I think it was called Brea but they said they won't produce it.
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The car company that I like the least is Toyota. Yes I said Toyota. I know, I know everyone raves about them but I had 2 Toyotas that were definitely not even up to Ford or GM build quality. I must be the exception that proves the rule. It was 15 years between Toyotas for us, and we will never, ever buy another one. Did I mention never. Don't get Rosie started on this topic. She will cuss them out vehemently.

Mitsubishi is second on my list because of tranny problems I had with the '88 Galant Sigma. Every 60k miles the 4EAT tranny would die like clock work. They stood by me and replaced the original one for free, and I paid half for the third one at 120k miles. When the third one started to slipat 180k miles, I got rid of the car.

That's about all I can personally comment on.
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Old 03-10-2004, 11:00 AM
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1. Daimler-Chrysler - What a messed up company. That merger was like the blind leading the blind. A company that sucks at building engines merged with *SURPRISE* another company that sucks at building engines.

2. Ford - This company gets number two instead of number one because of it's heritage. Other than that, what is there to say?

3. VW/Audi - Yet another overpriced, underbuilt car line. Too many of these around these days.

I have to mention that in many cases I agree with some of the people that have put GM on the list. Especially if you did it because of Buick and/or Oldsmobile. Niether of those brands were created with an image, nor do they really have a place in today's market. Years ago they fit right in, but I think soon Buick will fall the way Oldsmobile did. But Saturn? I don't know about that. Think about it for a minute. They are the only American car company that has managed to avoid the "stigma" of an American company. The company is only about 12 years old and their cars already hold better resale value than Hyundai, which has been around for what, 20 years? That's quite an accomplishment. They've obviously got something going.
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Old 03-10-2004, 11:40 AM
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1) Ford Motor Company

i just cannot stand how they've spread their fingers into the operations of what used to be good imports.. mazda's used to be cool, now they just LOOK cool... the new "cheap" jaguar looks WAY too much like an old Taurus sedan..

2) VW Auto Group

yes, including lambroghini.. again, i feel like the identity of this italian supercar has been ripped away by a german group with their eye on the bottom line..

and every VW/Audi i've driven has felt soggy, disconnected, and slow.

3) GM/Damlier-Chrysler

can you tell i'm pi**ed off at "congolmerate automotive?"

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All right.....Right now I would pick.

#1 Daimler Chrysler/ Mitsubishi Are they even really separate car companys anymore? Cheap, leaky, prematuryly wearing out crap.


#2 Ford There trucks start rusting in half in the first 2 years and everything else blows head gaskets and trannys.

#3 Anything Euro VW, BMW, MB, Range Rover and what ever other crap comes from over there. Oh yeah Volvo
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Old 03-11-2004, 02:58 AM
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Re: Re: Re: Bottom Three

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You don't like "Holden" or "Opel"??? I kinda like the Holden cars... Even though they use similar engines to the Chevy line-up
I have to admit that I did drive two good GM Holden's


One was a re-badged Toyota Corolla, Holden called it a Nova.

The other good Holden was a Holden Apollo, originally this car without the re-badging was called a Toyota Camry.

Other than those two I can't think of one that would compare with a motor car

Kenn

BTW The latest Ford XR6's and XR8's look like real cool cars. Must try and get a drive of one of them
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