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A. Someone forgot to replace the oil after doing the work B. Someone forgot to install the oil drain plug. C. Someone forgot to install one or more of the seals. D. Someone is missing a watch or wedding ring and it is in your engine. You will probably have to take it to several independant mechanics for a written listing of damage. It will probably cost you money to get them, but then you have the legal recourse if the first shop did something to cause this. Unfortunatly, it could also just be bad luck... Good luck with it. Doug
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so would you say that the oil should of been replaced when they did the seals???Because they are trying to say they never put any oil in the car at any point in time. So if they were supposed to or something of that nature and you know from a manual that would be great if you could chime in here....I truly appreciate all this help so far hopefully its not just bad luck, wouldnt suprise me though..I would hope that after screwing it up the first time they would of put the selas in correct the second time, but obviously they didnt...Also i need to know if they are going to try and say that since it is an interference motor in their eyes the damage to a rod could be done by this? IS this a possiblity in an interference engine???Or is a rod only damaged by lack of oil???Sorry for the questions, Eerything is as always greatly appreciated...
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did you break a timing belt before, while driving
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No I've never blown a timing belt before, unless I happend to blow one when the supposed tensioner broke, but i dont think i did since my mechanic said the belt and tensioner looked fine and were tight and holding tension....Kinda odd huh the part that is be bad seems to be functioning corretly, but I dont know enough of this engine to say anything....Thanks again for the help so far
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also i was curious would the belt be damaged at all if the tensioner did go???cause the belt looks fine according to my mechanic....thanks again for any and all help so far...
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well see it this way.
rod knock is do to stress on the upper bushing were the pin mates, where to size the thrust pin and the solid bearing no longer meets the specification of being fully squared, meaning a perfect circle, same goes on the bottom of the rod where it mates to the crankshaft lack of lubrication will heat up the bottom of the rod where it meets the crank shaft first. meaning the bearings would seize up, and when it cools down, the hole is bigger than it was hot. boom rod knocks. if a piston collides with the valves and thinking that it was the reason of a rod knock, would be impossible, threw my eyes that ive never seen that before, but to only see the piston, will be dented on the dome, the top parts of the piston, or i will have a hole on the dome resulting loss of compression, now if you had that your car woulnt be running right at all lack of lubrication is what i assume is the cause, doing the seals on the engine would be a minimal loss of oil only to be toped off. if you want me to e-mail soa i will ask the tech department your question on interference, so you can be one hundred percent that it is not a collide motor.
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if it was me i would change the belt anywayz, cuz its cheap
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The tensioner is just a small, super high pressure hydraulic strut like what holds up our hoods. The procedure for testing it is to remove it from the car and put all your body weight on it and try to compress it. If it compresses slowly, its fine. If it compresses fast & easy or not at all, it is leaking or frozen. As far as changing oil after a seal job. No one can be 100% sure that no debris was introduced to the internal parts during service in a non high-tech, environmentally controlled clean room (which I've never seen in a shop open to the public), so a $20 oil change is a simple safety precaution. Doug
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Since most of the oil should be in the pan when the engine's not running, I don't see why they'd need to change or refill the oil in order to replace the seals you mentioned. But, since they did over a thousand dollars in engine work, mostly involving oil seals, you'd think someone would've checked. Hell, I would've thought that they'd just tack on an oil change anyway.
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well if the oil seals were blown out due to incorrect fitting yes you would have major issues,
ill do that for you on soa ok
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thank you very much
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Disappearing oil?
IF, the engine had a piston hit the valves due to being interference, the piston would crush the valves into the head. If this happened the engine would have no compression in that cylinder, and would not run as you say it does. The chance of a rod being damaged due to this is and not damaging the valve gear is nil.
The story about the oil not being in the pan when the engine is running or stopped is crap, regardless of engine design. The only way the pump can pull air instead of oil is if there is no oil in the pan. This looks like their fault. It is their responsibility to ensure that the engine is in a serviceable condition when you pick it up. This includes ensuring that there is the right amount of oil in it. If it sounds like a rod big end bearing, is making the noise, the only way to tell is to drop the pan and have a look. There will be many signs of lack of lube in there if this is the case. Harvey.
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