Crossfire/Magnum/300C

[Noir]

i30 alternator

[Noir]

accord alternator

[Noir]

Grand Prix alternator

[Noir]

i'll let the napa online catalog prices explain everything.

btw-i used the 2001 year for all makes and models.

i picked your Grand Prix, your mom's I30, 1 domestic family sedan the sebring, and 1 import honda accord.

both sebring and accord were of the same class and both chosen was the 6 cylinders.

[Chicane]

Originally posted by Landshark


bump for Harry.

No, I do NOT just mean within my close group of friends. OF my close friends, it is true. Of my kinda-distant friends, it is true. Of my non-friends, and just general day to day experience, it is true (I've met professors who use macs, and they tend to be more intelligent, creative, and more into whatever subject they're teaching... that being said, I've had teachers who use macs that I HATE!!!! But I've had MORE pc-using professors that I hate than mac using ones.) And guess what? It isn't just me. Some of my PC using FRIENDS agree with this statement. Why? Because they are HIGHLY INTELLIGENT PEOPLE, and they can COMPREHEND WHAT I AM SAYING. As for them judging my intelligence Noir, according to you it'd be IMPOSSIBLE for them to judge my intelligence without performing a series of tests. I say bull****.

If you were to average the intelligence of the audience at a WWF event, it would be LOWER than the average intelligence of an audience at a symphony. No, I don't have facts to back that up (yet), but you and I BOTH know it's true. If you want to be in denial, fine, go right ahead.

- Rob

[SubaSteevo]

Originally posted by Chicane

If you were to average the intelligence of the audience at a WWF event, it would be LOWER than the average intelligence of an audience at a symphony. No, I don't have facts to back that up (yet), but you and I BOTH know it's true. If you want to be in denial, fine, go right ahead.

- Rob

The average person at a WWF event lives in a house that has wheels. They do not have the money to buy a Mac. The PC that they have is probably atleast 8 yrs old too.

[Chicane]

And WHY might the average person who watches WWF live in a trailer? Because they are usually NOT highly intelligent, thus have lower paying jobs?!

DING DING DING DING.

Thank you for agreeing with me.

Case closed.

- Rob

[Shadow248]

Originally posted by Landshark
i am really starting to think you are on crack, or delusional about your reading comprehension ability. you obviously aren't reading and understanding.

please go back and read your post again - you are trying to relate 'repair time in the shop of imports vs. domestics' to 'my experience with imports and domestics.' WTF are you talking about?!?!?

Oh man, I was afraid that post was too long. Your starting to hallucinate. I'm so sorry.

Originally posted by Landshark
you have a point here - when my wiper blades need changed, i need new headlights, or my floor mats need replaced, the trip to the dealer can be frustrating. how Huck or others can replace a transmission in a Subaru in their garage at home is a mystery to me - they must be from another planet. i attempted to replace a fuse in an import once, but it ended up getting towed to the dealer after all.

The transmission thing is more dependent on the driveline setup than the car's origin. Longitudinal mount engine = resonably manageable tranny install. Latitudinal (transverse) mount engine = nightmare on a stick. Regardless of car's origin. The price of the tranny is a factor though. My GTP gets a brand new tranny for $1200, whereas my mom's I30 runs just over $2000. I will note, however that there are MAJOR exceptions to that. Some foreign cars will have super cheap trannies and some Domestics have unexplainably pricey units.

Originally posted by Noir
Grand Prix alternator

Wow that Delco Remy 3.8L alternator price must be a misprint. I got exactly that model for $108 from a DEALER no less. The rest seem in the ballpark though. My mom's $380 price was from the dealer, so that sounds about right.

Originally posted by BurgundyBeast
The average person at a WWF event lives in a house that has wheels. They do not have the money to buy a Mac. The PC that they have is probably atleast 8 yrs old too.

Actually just as many of those "portable domocile" owners have old Macs as old PC's. What about rock stars? They most likely all buy Macs because they are more expensive and flashier. And you don't even want to get into their average IQ's. Think about computer programmers...some of the highest IQ's out there...almost NONE of these people use Mac's.

ARGH...Now i've been drug into this argument! WHY?!

[Chicane]

Originally posted by Shadow248
Think about computer programmers...some of the highest IQ's out there...almost NONE of these people use Mac's.

YOU ARE TRYING MY PATIENCE.

LOOK AT WHAT I AM SAYING, FOR CHRISTS SAKE.

ALRIGHT, you have TWO groups. One is a SMALL group, of specialized skilled professionals. The other is an EXTREMELY large group of diverse people made up of specialized, skilled professionals, and ON TOP OF THAT, the average joe, the typical PC porn downloading teenager, the neighbor next door, the stupid accountant, etc. The list goes on and on.

So basically, you have one really really really really really large group, in which case the AVERAGE intelligence of the group would be... (since it's fairly large and has a broad range of people).... AVERAGE.

Mac users on the other hand, are composed of a small group of people, that tend to be in creative/skilled/specialized jobs, and a larger percentage of these users have college degrees. What does this mean? Smaller group.. more specialized... more likely to have a college degree..... the average intelligence would be ABOVE the PC user group, since the PC users also have to account for a HUGE number of stupid people, in addition to their huge number of smart people

NOTE: NOWHERE, not ONE freaking spot, did I say that all PC users are stupid. EVER. EVER EVER EVER EVER. Can I get that through some of your skulls?! Is it possible?!?!

>passes out due to aggravation in not ONE pc user being able to comprehend simple logic<

- Rob

[Noir]

Originally posted by Shadow248
Wow that Delco Remy 3.8L alternator price must be a misprint. I got exactly that model for $108 from a DEALER no less. The rest seem in the ballpark though. My mom's $380 price was from the dealer, so that sounds about right.

i went and searched for the same model number and you were right. the $489 for the alternator maybe a misprint. another parts place was selling the part for $155.

Either way the price for the alternator between two comparable class vehicles 'sebring and accord' the price of the alternators was not that much different. So imports aren't THAT much terribly more to fix. Price of labor is about the same for both manufacturers.

Originally posted by Shadow248
[B]ARGH...Now i've been drug into this argument! WHY?!B]

Because you don't like to see someone make general statements that make no sense and have no supporting evidence other than their own biased opinions to prove their point.

[Noir]

Originally posted by Chicane

ALRIGHT, you have TWO groups. One is a SMALL group, of specialized skilled professionals. The other is an EXTREMELY large group of diverse people made up of specialized, skilled professionals, and ON TOP OF THAT, the average joe, the typical PC porn downloading teenager, the neighbor next door, the stupid accountant, etc. The list goes on and on.

I think I have seen the light Rob. In other words, what you are saying is that:

Every MAC user is a specialized skilled professional.
There are no average Joes that uses a MAC.
There is no such a thing as a MAC porn downloading teenager. There are no neighbors next door that use a MAC
No stupid MAC accountants exist.

I think I understand what you are saying now.

Originally posted by Chicane
Mac users on the other hand, are composed of a small group of people, that tend to be in creative/skilled/specialized jobs, and a larger percentage of these users have college degrees.

Ok. I have some questions.

Is a person who is creative intelligent?
Is a skilled person intelligent?
People who hold specialized jobs. Are they intelligent?
Do people who hold college degrees intelligent?

Originally posted by Chicane
What does this mean? Smaller group.. more specialized... more likely to have a college degree..... the average intelligence would be ABOVE the PC user group, since the PC users also have to account for a HUGE number of stupid people, in addition to their huge number of smart people.

What you are saying here is that the smaller group does not have very many as you so eloquently stated, 'Stupid people'. Although I can find many examples of 'stupid' MAC users, you will never accept them into your equation because your mind is already set to the belief that MAC users have higher intelligence than PC users. I am willing to wager that the ratio of intelligent users to less intelligent (aka. stupid in Rob's opinion) users of both systems are the same. Because the ratio is the same, the average is also the same. No one has tested the intelligence of both systems users and compared the two. Because of that, it is impossible to prove that MAC users are more intelligent than PC users.

Originally posted by Chicane
NOTE: NOWHERE, not ONE freaking spot, did I say that all PC users are stupid. EVER. EVER EVER EVER EVER. Can I get that through some of your skulls?! Is it possible?!?!

Actually the thread that you mentioned that PC users are stupid compared to MAC users was deleted. I'm sure there are some people here that remember that.

Originally posted by Chicane
>passes out due to aggravation in not ONE pc user being able to comprehend simple logic<

And your point here is what? That you, a MAC user, are greater than all the PC users here? Since we can't comprehend YOUR logic, that our intelligence is inferior to yours? Which can be restated as we are stupid compared to you, especially since most of us reading this use a PC.

[Noir]

Originally posted by Chicane

No, I do NOT just mean within my close group of friends.

Wait, in your previous post you stated that:
I shall refer to all of my CLOSE friends. 2 of them use macs. The rest of them use PCs. The TWO that use macs are both HIGHLY INTELLIGENT people. Hence, 100% of the mac users (among my close group of friends) are highly intelligent. The PC users... well... I have a lot of highly intelligent friends, and some friends with a more average intelligence. Thus, the AVERAGE mac user friend I have is SMARTER than the average PC user friend I have.

You used that as an example. Looks like a pretty biased survey to me. You picked two of your friends who you feel is highly intelligent. Want me to have all the 'unintelligent' MAC users that I have seen to contact you to properly represent your average?

Originally posted by Chicane
OF my close friends, it is true. Of my kinda-distant friends, it is true. Of my non-friends, and just general day to day experience, it is true (I've met professors who use macs, and they tend to be more intelligent, creative, and more into whatever subject they're teaching... that being said, I've had teachers who use macs that I HATE!!!! But I've had MORE pc-using professors that I hate than mac using ones.) And guess what? It isn't just me. Some of my PC using FRIENDS agree with this statement. Why? Because they are HIGHLY INTELLIGENT PEOPLE, and they can COMPREHEND WHAT I AM SAYING.

Here we go again with a biased statistic. I really don't have any interest in the professors that you liked or disliked. I don't have any interests in whether they are dedicated to their work or not. I have no interest if they have the creativity of singing and dancing to teach a class or showing bland presentations as their primary teaching method. All I care about is for the tests I mentioned, how high would the MAC users score versus how high would the PC users score. We survey all of them and get their rank to average. That would prove it, not an opinion that you and your friends may feel based on whether you liked the professor or not.

Originally posted by Chicane
As for them judging my intelligence Noir, according to you it'd be IMPOSSIBLE for them to judge my intelligence without performing a series of tests. I say bull****.

You asked me how to gauge someone's intelligence. I explained the proper way of gauging someone's intelligence and you think it's bull****. You tell me how to gauge someone's intelligence properly. You maybe able to compare someone else's intelligence to yours (more, less, same) but please tell me how to correctly rate someone's intelligence. Apparently you know a better way than the tests I mentioned.

Originally posted by Chicane
If you were to average the intelligence of the audience at a WWF event, it would be LOWER than the average intelligence of an audience at a symphony. No, I don't have facts to back that up (yet), but you and I BOTH know it's true. If you want to be in denial, fine, go right ahead.

Your view on things is quite skewed. Based on whether you like or dislike something, you make all these generalizations to tell yourself that you are better than those people. Apparently you do not care for WWF and since you believe that WWF is stupid and the audience that it's gear towards is less intelligent than of a symphony (which apparently is something you like). Until you can prove your findings with reputable data, this statement is also false.

If I know that what you are saying is true, I would not say it isn't. You assume that I'm in denial because I do not agree with what you think is 'right'. If I believe that you were right, we would not be having this discussion.

[Noir]

by the way, let's keep the name calling to a minimum .

we aren't trying to insult each other here, just trying to have a dicussion and see who can prove their points

i would hate for this thread to be deleted.

seems like a fun topic .

[Noir]

Originally posted by BurgundyBeast


The average person at a WWF event lives in a house that has wheels. They do not have the money to buy a Mac. The PC that they have is probably atleast 8 yrs old too.

lol

you know steve...what would be funny is if the ratio of MAC owners is higher than the ratio of PC owners for the WWF community.



anyone can verify the numbers?

although i can't speak from experience about how intelligent majority of the people who are into WWF, but the people i have encountered to enjoy WWF are relatively intelligent. they find the WWF as a different form of entertainment as they would find a shakespearean play equally entertaining.

[Landshark]

Originally posted by Noir
Your view on things is quite skewed. Based on whether you like or dislike something, you make all these generalizations to tell yourself that you are better than those people. Apparently you do not care for WWF and since you believe that WWF is stupid and the audience that it's gear towards is less intelligent than of a symphony (which apparently is something you like). Until you can prove your findings with reputable data, this statement is also false.

If I know that what you are saying is true, I would not say it isn't. You assume that I'm in denial because I do not agree with what you think is 'right'. If I believe that you were right, we would not be having this discussion.

actually, i feel the average Mac user is less intelligent. my reasons -

- they pay more for less.
- pretty, shiny package - good for blank stares when nothing is going on upstairs.
- limited options - not much decision making going on
- "easier" to do things, but again, less options
- geared towards artists, as opposed to engineers, programmers, and scientists

that's my belief and i'm sticking to it. i don't mean *all* Mac users are drooling idiots, just on average.