This is the future, albeit a distant one

http://www.msnbc.com/news/865910.asp

[Noir]

hmm..the last time i checked the problem with hydrogen fuel is that the energy required to harvest hydrogen is astronomical.

True, but this research will no doubt lead somewhere away from petroleum in the next 20 years.

hmm.... mmmmethane.

[Noir]

would be interesting...although i don't know about the bush's cohorts. they may not be happy with the move from petro to an alternative energy souce considering they are oilers.

[Aredubjay]

Originally posted by Boone
hmm.... mmmmethane.

Dunno 'bout that. They're now saying that bovine flatulence helps to deplete the ozone layer. Perhaps if it's ignited, it doesn't cause damage. Excuse me, while I go and experiment. At least, with cows, you don't have to worry about setting their underwear on fire.

[CigarJohnny]

Originally posted by Aredubjay


Dunno 'bout that. They're now saying that bovine flatulence helps to deplete the ozone layer. Perhaps if it's ignited, it doesn't cause damage. Excuse me, while I go and experiment. At least, with cows, you don't have to worry about setting their underwear on fire.

Igniting flatulence, Randy?? Now your bringing back some painful memories that should sooner be forgotten...<shudders uncontrolably for a second>...very much forgotten.

... anyone see Tremors II. ?

[Uncamitzi]

Originally posted by Aredubjay


Dunno 'bout that. They're now saying that bovine flatulence helps to deplete the ozone layer. Perhaps if it's ignited, it doesn't cause damage. Excuse me, while I go and experiment. At least, with cows, you don't have to worry about setting their underwear on fire.

no.... just their tail......

(another mental image....cow running across the freeway with smoke streaming from back end)

[Mr. Pockets]

Originally posted by Noir
hmm..the last time i checked the problem with hydrogen fuel is that the energy required to harvest hydrogen is astronomical.

I don't know about astronomical, but it is less efficient, currently, than refining and burning gasoline. Of course, the IC engine has a big head start. Given time, I think that we can devise more efficient means to get the hydrogen we need.

And I think that the president's contacts in the oil industry have little to worry about - the plan is to first find ways to extract the hydrogen from petroleum products. Most of the petroleum infrastructure would remain intact and be slowly phased out, giving the oil companies time to adjust. It would be some time before we saw something that was indistinguishable from the current system.

I have to say, I'm impressed at GM's Autonomy project. The caption for that photo in that MSNBC article is wrong, though. The concept shown is the HyWire, which is based on technology proposed by the Autonomy concept. HyWire is impressive as a proof-of-concept, but requires much more refining and many more iterations before it's feasible.

Anyway, I'm glad that GM is working on something that's not just a greenwash - they're clearly spending money and trying to make it work. It's far better than a friggin' Durango Hybrid that gets 18mpg.

[Noir]

stop it pockets, i'm getting brain burn...to much info to process.

[Beav]

Originally posted by Aredubjay


Dunno 'bout that. They're now saying that bovine flatulence helps to deplete the ozone layer. Perhaps if it's ignited, it doesn't cause damage. Excuse me, while I go and experiment. At least, with cows, you don't have to worry about setting their underwear on fire.

I've always wondered who this was, I think you just told on yourself...

http://www.subaru-svx.net/photos/user.php?Beav|6144 (click on 'Randy?' and then on the blank folder)

[Aredubjay]

Originally posted by Beav



I've always wondered who this was, I think you just told on yourself...

hang on, I'll get it right in a minute

That's okay, I found it. Yep! Can't trust your buddies to keep any secrets, can you?

[Noir]

that was great. the youth of today!

<ponders if i did that before>

oh well can't remember.

h

[LarryIII]

Originally posted by Noir
hmm..the last time i checked the problem with hydrogen fuel is that the energy required to harvest hydrogen is astronomical.

Noir,

When we get cold fusion in a coke bottle all figured out, we should have enough energy to generate hydrogen.