SVXers Poll: Who ya voting for if anyone?

[Royal Tiger]

If you read history, most islamics have a hatred of the British for the "impossing" of the Jewish state, Israel, on their land following WWII. In 1941 the British Government promised the Jews fleeing German occupied Europe a free state if they joined the fight against the Germans and Italians. The British also promised the Palistianians the removal of British Troops from the area later to be called Israel if they helped Montgomery's African Units push the Germans out of Egypt. They also further promised to leave Tunisia and Libya. After WWII the Jews got Israel, the US recognized it as a independant nation, and the islamics felt betrayed. The steadfast support of the US to Israel since it's inception hasn't won us any friends with the islamics. That is the long standing hatred. Invading Iraq didn't start the hatred, just brought it more out in the open. Following Gulf Storm I the US accepted an offer from the Suadi Government to maintain it's bases in the Suadi Kingdom, as "protection" from outside aggression, such as Iraq and Syria, which had both threatened Suadi Arabia. It was the extremists such as OBL who saw the stationing of "infadels" in the most holy islamic country in the middle east (Mecca is in Suadi Arabia) as the breaking point. Hence the large numbers of Suadi nationals involved in 9/11. It wasn't because of oil like dipstick michael moore says. The great thing about history is, it's all there in print; if you pick up a book and read it. And not books from the dems or republicans web sites.

[JeffN]

Not to forget the Islamic crusades-what, 10th-11th centuries? Into N africa, Spain and halted/thwarted there. And they have the gall to mention the Christian crusades.

For those of us who don't recognise or don't want to acknowledge that we are in the midst of WW 4 (WW3 was the cold war that reagan won), you'll have an abrupt awakening soon. Radical Islam's 1st cause is to drive Irael and their citizens into the ocean and then evangelize the rest of the non-believer infidels (all others) into the mosque or into the grave.

The sooner you choke down that pill and get comfortable with it, the sooner you'll mature into what's been happening since before many of you were born. And believe that your children and perhaps theirs will be at this same war.

[Royal Tiger]

Good points Jeff. Not bad for a New Yorker! Don't they teach DNC as a class in school in the Empire State?

[Shadow248]

I'd like to see someone try to argue now that we shouldn't be after these people.

Originally posted by upnygimp
I dont feel like debating this at any more length, so I'm gonna leave it as just from last night, Kerry proved (In my mind) that hes the only logical choice for president. The only reason I say this is because Bush showed absolutely no signs of even thinking he handled Iraq wrong.

Not that i'm trying to say that your own opinion is wrong...but this is a great way to illustrate how I feel about this "anything but bush" sentiment. That is one of the biggest problems with americans that has gotten us to where we are. If you dislike Bush, great. I can understand. Any wartime president is unpopular, that's a historical inevitability. The problem is, more than half of Kerry's supporters are not Kerry's supporters, they are Bush haters. They are aiming to put a man in office that is incapable of handling the job, just because the man that IS currently HANDLING the job is not HANDLING it the way they want him to. This is why i'm voting for bush. He's not the greatest, but we are all still alive and doing quite well considering the world situation. I can only imagine where we might be if Gore was in office. Probably dead. This could very well be the case with Kerry and his inability to get anything done. Think about that.

Originally posted by Shadow248
I'd like to see someone try to argue now that we shouldn't be after these people.



Not that i'm trying to say that your own opinion is wrong...but this is a great way to illustrate how I feel about this "anything but bush" sentiment. That is one of the biggest problems with americans that has gotten us to where we are. If you dislike Bush, great. I can understand. Any wartime president is unpopular, that's a historical inevitability. The problem is, more than half of Kerry's supporters are not Kerry's supporters, they are Bush haters. They are aiming to put a man in office that is incapable of handling the job, just because the man that IS currently HANDLING the job is not HANDLING it the way they want him to. This is why i'm voting for bush. He's not the greatest, but we are all still alive and doing quite well considering the world situation. I can only imagine where we might be if Gore was in office. Probably dead. This could very well be the case with Kerry and his inability to get anything done. Think about that.

i agree. I'm voting nader, but if I was forced, I'd be voting Bush. I watched the debates, and Kerry won. Kerry is much more suave, and promises hte world. Frankly, I'm sick of politicians that promise everything, deliver nothing, and could sell freezers to eskimos. He is THE definition of a 'politician'.... with Bush, I don't agree with him on a lot of things, but he's not full of crap. He's pretty honest, and even if you DO disagree with everything he says, you at LEAST know where he stands.... unlike Kerry.

- Jim

[Alycone]

Looks like B & K are pretty even here. Go figure.

[n00b on demand]

Originally posted by Shadow248
I'd like to see someone try to argue now that we shouldn't be after these people.



Not that i'm trying to say that your own opinion is wrong...but this is a great way to illustrate how I feel about this "anything but bush" sentiment. That is one of the biggest problems with americans that has gotten us to where we are. If you dislike Bush, great. I can understand. Any wartime president is unpopular, that's a historical inevitability. The problem is, more than half of Kerry's supporters are not Kerry's supporters, they are Bush haters. They are aiming to put a man in office that is incapable of handling the job, just because the man that IS currently HANDLING the job is not HANDLING it the way they want him to. This is why i'm voting for bush. He's not the greatest, but we are all still alive and doing quite well considering the world situation. I can only imagine where we might be if Gore was in office. Probably dead. This could very well be the case with Kerry and his inability to get anything done. Think about that.

Couldn't have put it better myself shadow.

[Alycone]

Yay - the VP debate is tonight (I find the VP canidates more interesting than the Pres canidates).

[nordique14]

...is it too late to vote for Dennis Kucinich...

Just kidding. My second biggest problem is that the parties never pick the guys I like. John McCain was beaten by Bush. How much better would he have been? <rhetorical question> Kerry is lame compared to Clark or Dean (or even Kucinich - vegans unite!). It is a choice between the worst the parties have to offer. Can't get excited about any of the candidates.

That said, now my biggest problem...
I'm a Canadian and not allowed to vote in the USA.

Matt

P.S. best post debate analysis was by Bill Maher when he said "watching Bush debate is like watching a drunk guy crossing an icy street"

[ensteele]

At least Bush doesn't debate with himself. Kerry changes his mind more than I change my underware.

[shelfy]

Originally posted by Landshark
not being a smartass (for once ), but why is this so important? what does the governments recognition of two peoples vows to each other really matter (other than for tax purposes)?

i don't give a f*ck about a tax deduction! it comes down to the fact that if my partner was in the hospital dying, i wouldn't have any rights to see him, let alone decide what may be best for him.

Originally posted by shelfy
i don't give a f*ck about a tax deduction! it comes down to the fact that if my partner was in the hospital dying, i wouldn't have any rights to see him, let alone decide what may be best for him.

Kerry is against gay marriage.

[Royal Tiger]

So is Edwards. He said it last night. I think "marriage" should be between a man and a woman, but I am 100% in support of a "civil union" classification that can be legally recognized to give domestic partners the same rights a husband or wife enjoys. All my best to you Ken.

[JeffN]

1 thing Edwards agrees with me on. Full legal equality.

And I hope that's not the case Ken.

[Royal Tiger]

No, I think Ken said if. I was wishing him my best. Ken has been good about me picking on him over the Legacy photos (still waiting...) and we seem to be polar opposites politically, but still can be friends. That's what makes this a great country. Try being vocal about government in the mid-east.