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Old 08-23-2009, 10:24 AM
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How low is too low

I decided to start researching my future suspension and would like some opinions. I attached a photoshop of the approximate ride height I would like to have but I have little knowledge about suspension geometry and center of gravity bla, bla bla... I have heard that to maintain proper center of gravity while lowering a car the ball joints are supposed to be lowered the same amount as the body. To be honest I don't really want to get into doing it right. I would like to know how far I can lower the suspension without degrading handling, ride quality or tire wear. I especially don't want to downgrade from factory. Are Koni/GS's the only route I can take or is there a less expensive way.

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Old 08-23-2009, 10:51 AM
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Re: How low is too low

Looks nice....

But one thing... Have you driven around Scranton much?? How about the driveway to your garage??

There was a lengthy and detailed post in regards to the control arm angle a few years back. I did a quick search and couldn't find it.
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Old 08-23-2009, 11:06 AM
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Looks nice....

But one thing... Have you driven around Scranton much?? How about the driveway to your garage??

There was a lengthy and detailed post in regards to the control arm angle a few years back. I did a quick search and couldn't find it.
I lived here all my life, The trick is to drive in the oncoming lane or on the sidewalk.

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Old 08-23-2009, 11:25 AM
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Re: How low is too low

I remember Mychailo made a post about it ages ago. I believe he said the suspension had about 3.5 inches of usable travel, so the optimal drop was no more than an inch. Do correct me if I'm wrong.
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Old 08-23-2009, 12:19 PM
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Re: How low is too low

Found it!

http://www.subaru-svx.net/forum/show...pension+travel

looks like I'm once again stuck with an unsightly amount of wheel well gap in the front If this is the case would I regret a non-coilover setup? If anyone has replacement springs/shocks please chime in with your impressions. I keep hearing "If I had to do it over, I'd go with GC's" How many other options are there:

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Old 08-23-2009, 12:53 PM
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Re: How low is too low

I used to use the mychailo spring setup with new stock struts. The struts failed after a year and then I saved up money to buy the Koni/GC setup. The mychailo springs themselves were pretty decent. They felt stock in terms of comfort but offered a better cornering feeling with lessened brake dive. Going to the Koni/GC was a night and day difference. After 2 years the springs still look good.



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Old 08-23-2009, 01:17 PM
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Re: How low is too low

So what about Mychailo springs and koni's?
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Re: How low is too low

Mychailo's springs and koni inserts work great! They are the "sport" suspension that Subaru should have offered from the factory. I ran this set up for ~2 years before going to a GC/Koni set up. The change to the GC/Koni set up was autoX driven. For sporty dd applications, I'd stick with Mychailo's springs and koni inserts.

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Re: How low is too low

I have the Motorsport springs now with stock struts. I am happy with the ride quality, but the car is slightly too low to get in and out of my driveway. The tow hooks scrape a little bit. I have had these springs since November, but have only put about 2000 miles on my car since then.


On my 1995 SVX, I had the K&B springs. I have a lot more experience with these as I ran them on my car for 70,000 miles with the stock struts. I had no issues and the struts held up fine. The car rode and handled great. I believe they are the best option for the SVX.

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But one thing... Have you driven around Scranton much?? How about the driveway to your garage??
Really. I've scrubbed the front valance on mine more than once (an awful sound), snagged-and-dragged assorted road debris, and they're stock. From a practical standpoint, lowering makes no sense.

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Re: How low is too low

I've been toying with the idea of getting some springs for the front of my 94 as it rides about 3/4 of an inch lower in the rear due to the FWD springs, so it's like having 125 lbs in the trunk of a stock svx. You can really only tell if you're very familiar with SVXs or if you park it next to another, and I think that it actually improved the handling of the car by having it squat in the back. I have always been interested in what it would do to the driving dynamic of my particular car by adding a stiffer rear anti roll bar and lowering the front end to make it closer to the rear.
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Re: How low is too low

I replaced my rear FWD springs to the LSi springs and they are wound about a 1/4in. tighter.
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Re: How low is too low

The svx stock ground clearance is already low enough for this town driving. The bottom will easily get scratched if you are not careful.

A regular hydraulic jack cannot get underneath the car to change a flat tire. It's good to have a stock jack in the trunk.
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Re: How low is too low

I'd just get a front clip or something if you want the car lower, I've seen some members with them. There's still a little room to play with up there.

I bottom out constantly in town trying to get over entrances to businesses and speed bumps, at factory height.
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