Horrible ford stories

[SHISVX]

i'm not going to give up, FORD ROCKS!

Kelli

[Darksied-X]

Originally posted by Shadow248
I had to note - someone mentioned about there being no RWD full-size GM sedan...there is. The 2004 Bonneville uses the 4.8L Northstar V8 (285hp) and is available as RWD or AWD. The 2005 Impala will be built off the same platform. Supposedly the year after that GM will dump the current W-body (older grand prix, current impala, and monte) in favor of the modular platform being used for the new Grand Prix, which by virtue of it's design is capable of being configured as RWD or FWD. So then the GP and MC should be available as either a 4-door V6 or 2-door V8. They didn't really specify about options....so it's kinda up in the air right now. I'm still keeping my fingers crossed for a 5- or 6-speed tranny for either of those cars.

I think what your refering to is the '04 Cadillac STS, which rides on an extended Sigma platform (I think). Other that the Caddie STS, CTS, & XLR, Corvette, & GTO, GM has no other RWD passenger cars in the US. The Bonnie is still FWD, and will be until the next model. Even then, the Bonneville's drive configuration is still in the air. As for the next GP, Monte, Impala, etc... I've heard couple stories about those, but none involve the Sigma platform. From what I've heard, that will stay exclusive to Cadillac, much like the Northstar. As for the rumors, the first is similar to what you said, V6 4-door and V8 2-doors, but built on a new chasis. What I heard though is that the engine won't be dependent on the # of doors, but the drive config. Example: we'd have a V8 RWD Monte Carlo SS and a V6 FWD Monte Carlo LS. This would give GM the advantage in the upcoming full-size domestic sedan wars, in which all of Dodge/Chrysler's and ford's full-size cars with be strictly RWD. The other rumor I've heard is all those cars will be built on the Holden Commodore platform. It's strictly RWD, which will lose it's edge on the competition, but it's a world class performer, and is much cheaper than building a whole new platform. The final story I've heard encompasses both stories, just changes them a bit. No matter which option they choose, the FWD/RWD or the Commodore, the Chevy 2-door V-8 RWD car may not be a Monte SS at all. It may receive a completly different body and become the resurected Camaro. No matter what happens, I think it's all good for GM.

[Darksied-X]

Originally posted by SHISVX
i'm not going to give up, FORD ROCKS!

Not to be picky, but you misspelled "SUCKS". You replaced the "SU" with "RO". I know it's a common mistake when talking about fords, but we have enough bad spelling and grammar on this site as it is.

[Shadow248]

Originally posted by Darksied-X

I think what your refering to is the '04 Cadillac STS, which rides on an extended Sigma platform (I think). Other that the Caddie STS, CTS, & XLR, Corvette, & GTO, GM has no other RWD passenger cars in the US. The Bonnie is still FWD, and will be until the next model. Even then, the Bonneville's drive configuration is still in the air. As for the next GP, Monte, Impala, etc... I've heard couple stories about those, but none involve the Sigma platform. From what I've heard, that will stay exclusive to Cadillac, much like the Northstar. As for the rumors, the first is similar to what you said, V6 4-door and V8 2-doors, but built on a new chasis. What I heard though is that the engine won't be dependent on the # of doors, but the drive config. Example: we'd have a V8 RWD Monte Carlo SS and a V6 FWD Monte Carlo LS. This would give GM the advantage in the upcoming full-size domestic sedan wars, in which all of Dodge/Chrysler's and ford's full-size cars with be strictly RWD. The other rumor I've heard is all those cars will be built on the Holden Commodore platform. It's strictly RWD, which will lose it's edge on the competition, but it's a world class performer, and is much cheaper than building a whole new platform. The final story I've heard encompasses both stories, just changes them a bit. No matter which option they choose, the FWD/RWD or the Commodore, the Chevy 2-door V-8 RWD car may not be a Monte SS at all. It may receive a completly different body and become the resurected Camaro. No matter what happens, I think it's all good for GM.

Other than my first car, i've owned nothing but Pontiacs. My last three cars were Grand Prix's...i now have a GP as my daily driver and a Trans Am as my toy. My point - I KNOW PONTIAC...the 2004 Bonneville GXP is REAR WHEEL DRIVE with a Northstar 4.8L V8. I'm looking at the brochure as i type this.

http://www.pontiac.com/bonneville/sp...=models_prices

That link has the specs to all the trims. The third one down is the GXP. See for yourself. The only discrepancy is in power... the brochure i have says 285hp, the Pontiac site, as you will see, says 275hp. I think it's actually 285hp because that's what the 4.8L V8 puts out in all other applications. Also, according to both Car&Driver and Road&Track, the upcoming redesign of the Impala will put it on the same platform as the new Bonneville (which only makes sense), and the new Monte on the same platform as the new GP (again, fits perfectly in GM's line of thinking). But then the magazines have been wrong in the past, so that's why i said supposedly, just to be safe.

[rally]

I don't know, Ford has put some cars together I'd like to own. Boss Mustangs, SVO Mustang, Merkur XR4Ti, SVT anything, GT40, and of course this:

http://www.subaru-svx.net/photos/files/rally/4783.jpg

But I do agree, almost all the Fords I have owned have been pretty bad cars for me.

[Noir]

i'll vouch for escorts. i had a few friends with escorts for quite sometime with odometers exceeding 200k. very little money was dumped into them and they were definitely abused. one liked to do 360's in a big parking lot when it rained (go figure it was in a escort wagon). by 360's i don't mean donuts i mean speeding and making the car slide in a circle.

[LarryIII]

Dan,

You sure started something.

Larry III

[wawazat??]

Originally posted by Shadow248

My point - I KNOW PONTIAC...the 2004 Bonneville GXP is REAR WHEEL DRIVE with a Northstar 4.8L V8. I'm looking at the brochure as i type this.

http://www.pontiac.com/bonneville/sp...=models_prices

That link has the specs to all the trims. The third one down is the GXP. See for yourself. The only discrepancy is in power... the brochure i have says 285hp, the Pontiac site, as you will see, says 275hp. I think it's actually 285hp because that's what the 4.8L V8 puts out in all other applications. Also, according to both Car&Driver and Road&Track, the upcoming redesign of the Impala will put it on the same platform as the new Bonneville (which only makes sense), and the new Monte on the same platform as the new GP (again, fits perfectly in GM's line of thinking). But then the magazines have been wrong in the past, so that's why i said supposedly, just to be safe.

Pontiac likes to downplay the FWD nature of its cars, since it is supposed to be the performance division of GM. FWD and performance do not necessarily go hand-in-hand. Just look at BMW, Mercedes, Porsche.

According to this link, its FWD like it's been for years.

http://autos.msn.com/research/vip/ov...07&src=LeftNav

Besides, the Northstar engine has been, until the release of the new XLR, a strictly FWD-based engine design.

The NEXT generation of the Bonneville may be RWD, but the current one is not.


Since the link above is for a 2003, I added this one as well.

http://comp.autosite.com/2002autosui..._Numvehicles=1


Todd

[Royal Tiger]

Thanks Larry. I told you we need a thread to blow off steam and stay one big happy family. I think it's running 85-90% anti-ford (as it should be). I'll post more when I have some time later. Keep it up anti-oval brigade!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[SubaSteevo]

My family had a 95' Windstar, until it broke down with only 65k on our trip to Vermont (while in Vermont). The problem was the head gaskets, which had already been replaced. Ford gave us like an extra $2500 towards the purchase of a new Ford, so we bought a Exploder. I told them to get a Focus, since they were damn cheap, but my dad didn't listen to me. My mom got sick of it within two months and sold it for a used Maxima.

[Aredubjay]

Hmmmmm. Can't join this conversation. All my Ford stories are good ones . . . 'cept when I straightened out a 90 degree curve and drove my 72 Gran Torino Sport, with the 351C and Holley 4 bbl into a ditch . . . which whipped the wheels to the right . . . down a fenceline . . . cleaning out the three cows (two calves, then MAMMA!) . . . which sent me airborne . . . across the road . . . and into a tree. Got out of that one with seven stitches in my nose. Gotta love seatbelts (should've put on my shoulder harness). My first car was a 64 Ford Fairlaine 4-Door. My next two cars were Ford (Mercury) products -- 74 Mercury Capri 1600, and an 80 Capri RS Turbo.

[CigarJohnny]

Originally posted by Ron Mummert
But......

Can anyone tell me why my daughter's rolling trashcan, the '91 Escort wagon, has made it to 200K without a rust spot, one clutch replacement that was done as a precaution, & an original engine that still purrs? Babied? This car was last washed in '99.

Ron (aFordable).

Sorry if someone else answered this laterin the thread (haven't gotten that far) but could it be that it was designed, engineered and made by Mazda and rebadged as a ford? Show me a mid '80s (pre-mazda) Escort that isn't a rust bucket POS.

[CigarJohnny]

Hmmm...seems like a good time to break out the acronyms for what FORD really means. Feel free to add to the list

First On Recall Day
Fix Or Repair Daily
Found On Road Dead
Fast Only Rolling Downhill
Fords Only Run Downhill
Full Of Rust & Decay
F'd Over Rebuilt Dodge
Factory Ordered Rebuilt Dodge
Fornicating Our Retarded Designs (quoted by a former ford engineer)
Favored Over Rat Droppings
Fought Off Recall Demands
For Obviously Retarded Drivers
Firestone Overstates Reliability Data
Four Old Rusted Doors
Ford Owner Really Dumb
Fabrication Ordinaire Reparation Dispendieuse (French for ordinary fabrication expensive repairs.)
For Old Rickety Drivers


And of course my favorite:
Fag's Only Real Desire

Note: I intentionally left out "First On Race Day"

[Royal Tiger]

Without going to much into detail because of pending legal issues, I was personally involved with NHTSA that has lead to a full scale investigation over fords. I can't give out model info as this is an on going investigation. The focus has had 11 full scale recalls, 5 government safety inquries, and 6 product safety notices. Look it up. I can't remember a bigger p.o.s. ever!!! So far 3 fords, the focus, the escape, and the crown vic (interceptor) have been recalled for the wheels falling off while in motion!!!!!! That is comforting! To answer an earlier post, GM sells more full size pick-ups then ford if you add the Chevy and GMC together. If you have been following world events, Toyota is on the verge of passing ford as the world's number 2 automaker behind GM. I have narrowed down my vehicle purchases to Subaru, Nissan, and Toyota. They were the only 3 I shopped recently. I would also consider Honda. I base this on Consumer Reports ratings as they are non-biased. I'll never forget car and drivers mid size shoot out in which they painted the taurus as a decent vehicle, contrary to consumer reports. Of course the shoot out contained 3 pages of ford ads within the 6 pages of the story!!!!!!!

[SHISVX]

where i live i see more fords then anything on the road...i see most old f-series trucks when it come to older vehicles, that and old hatchback civics. from my experience, ford is decently cheap to repair, and in some instances easy enough that i can do it myself. i don't know the prices of new cars because i think that buying a brand new car is almost pointless because of the amount you loose just by signing papers. my probe had far less problems then my svx, and was a hell of a lot cheaper to fix. i like the gm company (chevy and such)

all cars have their good points and bad points, personally i think the new f-series is ugly and the new toyotas are nice looking...but i still think american cars are better, maybe just my american pride screaming out

Kelli