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Tokyo Auto Show: Subaru Hybrid Tourer Concept
http://www.autoblog.com/gallery/toky...ourer-concept/
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Re: Tokyo Auto Show: Subaru Hybrid Tourer Concept
It is kinda slick. But I'm not sure about the way those front seats are anchored.
They just seem a bit G-Force incompatible. I don't like the pivot point. Oh God no. I reloaded the page, and if I wanted a Cadillac Seville, with the butt up the butt, then that's what I'd buy. Please don't ever make me ride in that. The page showed me a stretched version when I first looked.
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Re: Tokyo Auto Show: Subaru Hybrid Tourer Concept
The concept kind of remoinds me of an updated green hybrid version of the old Volvo P-1800 sport wagon.
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it looks 1000x better than the current Legacy. i'd like to see a coupe or sedan version of this.
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-Slice some volume out of the roof, for a raked fastback coupe profile, with a lift-back hatch. -Shorten the doors to a 2-door coupe length, and move the hinges to the base and the top of the a-pillars, turning them from gull wing, to butterfly doors (think McLaren F1) -add window-in-a-window, with the fixed upper window extending into the roof segments of the doors. -Black out the rest of the roof structure above the window sill line. -keep a traditional mechanical Subaru driveline, and ditch the over-complicated, heavy hybrid stuff. Update the H4, H4T and H6 engines with direct injection, and valvematic variable event and lift system (a toyota technology... already in the family, so to speak...), back those engines with the WRX STI's DCCD 6-speed, or a dual-clutch automated gearbox. No CVTs. No hydro-automatics. DCTs have better performance and don't sap power from the drivetrain as much as those two. Use second-generation SI-Drive to manage engine maps, gearbox maps, suspension calibration, stability control programming, and other on-board control systems, to switch between efficiency, high-traction (slick road conditions), and high performance settings. With it being a 2+2 coupe at that point... with W-I-W, and a blacked out roof... it would make a perfectly natural 2012 Subaru SVX 20th Anniversary re-introduction.
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This looks nice but we need a NEW Alcyone
It's about time...
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I would agree the time is right for Subaru to re enter the GT coupe arena, because I think people who used to buy SUVs for image purposes are going to go back to Coupes. But it won't happen. I don't see a "Alcyone" style car joining the subaru line any time soon
And the toyota VVTLi (valve event timing) spoken of earlier was really more of a gimmick, it didn't do a whole lot. It made the valvetrain very heavy and was manufactured by yamaha. It only operated at very high rpms, like over 6000. We only saw it in the Celica GTS and the corolla and matrix XRS, and those were all still slugs. Direct injection and 4 cams with variable timing would probably help the older motors but I think the ez36 already runs it. An EZ36 with some toyota hybrid technology could be made to easily put out 300+hp and more if it was performance oriented. The Lexus GS450h runs a similar engine with only one electric motor and manages well over 300 (340 if memory serves)
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I like it. I appreciate Subaru trying something new, like they did with the SVX. I can't stop thinking 'back to the future' with those gull doors though...
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Whoa, those doors are massive.
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What happened to companies having, and customers expecting a diverse lineup of products? If you agree with me that it is time to re-enter that market, and that they could build a great product, if they just chose to... why be resigned to accept them not doing it? If they don't do it, it won't be for my lack of asking for such a product. Quote:
Here is more info: http://www.autozine.org/technical_sc...ine/vvt_5.html And the EZ36, EZ30R, and EJ25x family do already have AVCS and AVLS (variable valve timing, and VVTLi-style two-stage valve lift, respectively...) but it does not have direct fuel injection. Valvematic is continuous valve lift adjustment, not just 2 different lift cam lobe profiles, and is a generation newer than VVTLi. Quote:
Supposedly, rumor has it that the EZ36R is capable of much more than it is configured for, albeit not as turbo-suitable by having such thin cylinder walls, even compared to EZ30R, let alone EG33. Frankly, I am unconvinced that having a stack of lithium batteries in a car is a wise idea. An electric motor in the drivetrain is just added complexity unless the car is designed for motor-per-driven-wheel, and an on-board electric generation plant, since batteries don't even closely compare to liquid fuel in terms of ease, quick re-fuel/re-charge, or energy density by weight or volume. A good, optimized internal combustion powered, mechanically-operational drivetrain is fine with me, without the added costs, maintenance, and risk of a high voltage, large lithium battery system added to it.
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I don't even see the need for Subaru to make it. With the recent Tribecca, soon to be released Exiga, why not expand the range to include coupes and sports cars - fair enough Subaru are still licking their wounds after the SVX - what everyone calls "a commercial failure" with 25,000 units - but at the same time Mazda came out with Cosmos - only 9,000 units made for domestic market !
Testament to Subaru to being able to do well being their first foray into "the luxury segment" Subaru need to head in a different direction they are in at the moment. Look at the BMW concept - stunning is all I can say * 2+2 seater * Bird’s wings door * Dimensions (length x width x height): 4.60 x 1.90 x 1.24 meters * Combined power: 356 hp, 800 Nm(590 lb-ft) of torque * 1.5 liter 3-cylinder turbodiesel engine placed at the rear of the car * Diesel engine: 163 hp, 290 Nm(214 lb-ft) of torque * Two electric engines, one near the front axle, one near the rear axle * Electric-rear engine with constant 33 HP and a peak of 51 HP. Maximum torque 214 lb-ft * Electric engine front axle with constant 80 HP. Extra power of 112 HP available for 30 seconds and for 10 seconds, 139 HP. Torque:162 lb-ft * 4.8 seconds 0-100 km/h, limited 250 km/h (155 mph) * DCT gearbox * average 3,76 liter per 100 kilometer – 62.6MPG. CO2 99 gram per km * Maximum Range: 690 kilometers – 428 miles * Weight: 1.395 kg – 3,075 lbs * Weight of the lithium-ion batteries: 85 kg – 187 lbs * Charging time: Depending on the amperage between 44 minutes and 2.5 hours * 3D HUD * No Active Cooling Required |
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But otherwise, I wholeheartedly agree... they BADLY need a coupe, and they could probably handle two. A small sporty Toyota/Subaru lightweight car, as a successor to the 2.5RS coupe... and a bigger Grand Touring coupe, on a modified, widened GR (2008+) Impreza, but smaller than BM (2010+) Legacy... about the size of the BL (2004/5-2009) Legacy, to be a new SVX, with some of the aesthetic and technical cues from this tourer concept. Quote:
How does a series hybrid (internal combustion generator, solely electric drive) need a gearbox at all? If it is parallel hybrid, and just electric assist... I have to ask the same question that I do about the Subaru concept... why bother with the extra complexity and weight? How does a diesel engine that generates more than 200lb-ft of torque, not need active cooling? Who or where has the infrastructure to charge 187lbs of lithium batteries in 44 minutes? and what happens to those lithium batteries in a car accident? (lithium auto-ignites in an oxygen atmosphere... and burns at more than 1500 degrees F, from what I have read... even a few ounces of lithium batteries can do that if compromised, like those used in hobby-grade RC vehicles, or that melt-down laptops and iPods on rare occaision. A CAR ACCIDENT is a much more common occurence, and a much more destructive force. I love the BMW's general look, the doors, the HUD (which I badly wish was more commonly used... especially on cars like R8, a new SVX, Reventon, and other cars that look like they should be jet fighters. )
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"What you plan, and what actually happens ain't exactly ever been similar..." ------------ 1992 Claret SVX. Rescued from certain destruction, and still on the road, where it belongs. Waiting for a bit of a makeover, when I can afford it. 2005 Garnet Red Pearl Legacy GT Limited 5-speed. - The late great Subaru sport touring sedan. 1999 Classic Red Miata, Preferred equipment package 5-speed. Fun, fun, fun, in the Sun, sun, sun. |
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