The Subaru SVX World Network   SVX Network Forums
Live Chat!
SVX or Subaru Links
Old Lockers
Photo Post
How-To Documents
Message Archive
SVX Shop Search
IRC users:

Go Back   The Subaru SVX World Network > SVX Main Forums > MOD Mania > Suspension

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 10-05-2007, 09:59 PM
It's Just Eric's Avatar
It's Just Eric It's Just Eric is offline
Missing in action
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Tuckerton, NJ, USA
Posts: 3,027
Send a message via AIM to It's Just Eric
Registered SVX
bushings and cheap suspension upgrades: Install pics and first impressions

Yeah, I know..It's a long, long thread title. So we'll abrev. it to the "B&CSU:IP&FP" thread

Anyways, I was happy to see I got a special package in the mail from our friend, Original Tom. For some reason, it looked like it came from columbia, and I thought that was funny, so I took a digital photograph

**Free puzzle box with each shipment**
After sevral long minutes of tearing through multiple multiple layers of tape, paper, cardboard, ect..I finaly get to the 20$ swaybar-endlink bushings


So today's mission was to get something done. tom's bushings arent the only uninstalled goodies in my inventory: I have both front and rear swaybar bushings.Ive also sourced the 15$ mod, just need to pick it up. That being said, I decided today was a good day to get the front done. I dun into my inventory, and pulled out my front bushings, Which, because I had installed them on my parts car just shortly before it became a parts car...pulling them from the inventory meant uninstalling them. I also decided to pull the rear sway bar out while I had the car up...more on that later

So anyway, I cleaned them up real quick, and got to work replacing the not-so worn factory bushings with the poly ones. Some helpful tips for anyone doing this: One, the polyurethane bushings will need to be notched in order to clear the frame rail. Im pretty sure this only has to be done to the passenger side, but I did both when I originally did the install. Essentially, you need to cut a 1/4 x 1/4 inch corner off the inside edge,a well as make a groove for the legs of the clamp to rest in,as seen here:

The new polyurethane bushing is on top, the old rubber on the bottom.
Another thing:The drivers side is diffent from the passenger side, due to the clampy thingy for the sway bar arm. You'll know what I mean when you get in there, trust me. Anyhow, it seems easiest if you unbolt the drivers side bushing first, and remove the clamp and bushing. Now when you do the passenger side, you can pull the whole sway bar out of the way. when re-installing, you''l notice (Hopefully before you tighten it) that the clamp isnt symetrical. One leg is longer than the other...make sure you put t on crrectly, otherwise the bushing won't seat properly. you can probably see what I mean here

The only tool you really need for this is a 12mm flat wrench. The ratcheting kind would have made this job ALOT faster. a flat head screwdriver might be needed to get the polyurethane bushing spread enough to fit over the sway bar. At this point you'll realize just how stiff theese things are

I still had some time today, so I did a quick sand and rattle can job on the extra sway bar, and installed tom's bushings. Ill be perfectly honest...When I was playing around with them, I didnt know if the fitment between the rubber peice and the brass peice was snug enough, but it became apparent I was wrong when I pressed them into the bar end. Like Tom says, its best to put the rubber in first, then the brass. It didnt take too long, and now I have a whole, clean unit reay to install in the upcoming week.


Driving impressions: With just the front bushings done, I can actually feel why everyone wants to tighten up the rear. The front feels crisp, and quick to respond, but the back seems slow to react. on a low speed abrupt lane change, you can actualy feel the back end go "Oh yeah!!!" and then turn in. The effect is only amplified when the front is stiffened a bit with the polyurethane bushings. Im hoping between the subframe spacer, endlinks, sway bar bushings, and my alreay installed poly rear diff and tranny mounts, this effect is eliminated entirely. Now if only I knew how to drive
__________________
R.I.P Cool Signature.
You're gone but not forgotten. I mean, sure, I kindof don't remember some of the finer details..but I remember you were funny, and at one point you said spaghetti in Dutch....but definantly not forgotten

Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 10-05-2007, 10:56 PM
Speedklix's Avatar
Speedklix Speedklix is offline
Locker Link Solution
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: North Shore, MA
Posts: 1,902
...well, I enjoyed ready this thread. Thanks for the time/effort and input.
__________________
-Mike
ECUTune2v7 - 4.11 5 Speed - Sprung 6 Puck Clutch - D&S Rotors - SS Brake & Clutch Lines - HKS Panel Filter - HeaderBack Exhaust -80GB Hard Drive - GroupN Engine Mounts - - some other "tricks"
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
In progess: track down mystery noise <-identified, paint the new dash, get better pic
Spring plans: Replace Trans - Integrate ECU with the carputer - Suspension - Go back to STI Filter - Paint? Maybe not - Next Oil change: Purolator L30165

Member #995 | My Locker | My New Locker

Catch you next at: ? Auto-X ?
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 10-06-2007, 05:51 AM
Tim's Avatar
Tim Tim is offline
My car's Italian, right?
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: New Brunswick, New Jersey
Posts: 3,304
Send a message via AIM to Tim
Very cool eric. Cant wait to hear about the results when you install the rear
__________________
Tim
92 Liquid Silver SVX 5MT
2009 BMW Z4 (Gone)
2012 Camry V6 SE
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 10-06-2007, 02:22 PM
shotgunslade's Avatar
shotgunslade shotgunslade is offline
Registered User
Alcyone Gold Contributor
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: princeton, nj
Posts: 1,007
Registered SVX Classic SVX
Thread hijack only for a moment.

Original (much nicer than old) Tom:

Sent you a PM about this mod. Would like to purchase. Let me know

Dan
__________________
____________________________________________
95 LS-i Red, 31,xxx; bone stock for now; Daily Driver

94 LS-i Emerald Pearl, 106,xxx,; 246 whp; Tomyx snorkus and HKS Cold air intake; PWR aluminum radiator, silicone hoses; Inline thermostat; enhanced coolant routing; external power steering and oil coolers; Phenolic intake manifold spacers; 2004 WRX 5 speed transmission; ACT Clutch Kit, Heavy Duty Pressure Plate, Lightweight flywheel, performance disc; Group N motor mounts; ‘07 WRX 4-pot front calipers, cryo-treated slotted Tribeca rotors; Hawk HPS ferro-carbon pads; Frozenrotor rear slotted rotors; SS brake lines, Axxis Ultimate pads; Rota Torque 17x8 wheels; 245/40-17 Bridgestone RE01-R's; Koni inserts with Ground Control coilovers, Eibach springs; K-Mac camber/caster adjustable strut mounts; Urethane swaybar bushings; Bontrager rear sway bar; Urethane differential bushing; Custom Whiteline adjustable rear lateral links; Outlaw Engineering forged underdrive pulley; custom grind Web intake and exhaust cams (11 mm lift, 250° duration); solid lifters; CP custom aluminum forged 11 to 1 pistons, Brian Crower coated SS intake & exhaust valves; Brian Crower upgraded springs w/ titanium retainers; NGK sparkplugs; RallyBob (Bob Legere) ported and polished cylinder heads; Eagle H-beam rods; ACL Bearings; Cometic Head gaskets; ARP head studs & fasteners; Hydra Nemesis EMS; Wideband O2 sensor; 740cc Injectors; Walbro 255lph fuel pump; Upgraded WRX starter; Equal length SS headers (3 into 1); dual Magnaflow cat converters; 2 into 1 into 2 SS exhaust with Bullet muffler; OT Fiberglass hood; Oil pressure gauge; Programmable shift light,

2017 Subaru Forester XT, metallic dark gray, 29,xxx

2005 Porsche 911 Turbo S Cabrio, 24,xxx

2006 Subaru Outback LL Bean, 166,xxx sold

92 LSL Dark Teal, Smallcar Shift Kit - sold
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 10-18-2007, 10:57 PM
It's Just Eric's Avatar
It's Just Eric It's Just Eric is offline
Missing in action
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Tuckerton, NJ, USA
Posts: 3,027
Send a message via AIM to It's Just Eric
Registered SVX
Thumbs up Update:

Well, I FINALLY got around to doing the rear stuff. Sadly, my camera is lost somewhere in the abyss that is my bedroom So Ill have to update this post later with pictures.
So, I started the morning with a few small boxes and packages, and ended with all around better suspension performance. As already seen, I had a spare swaybar that I pushed svxfiles's's's bushings into. I also had a spare set of endlinks themselves, which I drilled while off the car. Also in my box-o-goods (Though not as good as a box-o-wine) were the polyurethane swaybar bushings, and the two subframe spacers who's usage and part numbers were given to me via OT. (Note to self..Picture / part numbers here)

First on the chopping block; the subframe spacers. When you look at the subframe bushing, you can CLEARLY see a larg gap...mabey about 3/16 inch or so. The spacer effectively fills this gap, allowing for less play of the subframe to which most f the suspension components are bolted to.
Installation instructions...Step 1: Loosen the 17mm nut that holds the rubber bonded washer thing in place. Step 2: Put the thick spacer on the bolt, and reinstall (Picture here too)

I found it easier to remove the endlinks for drilling, as Im not a fan of metal shrapnel in my eyes, and trying to hold a wigglyy thing while drilling. To remove the endlinks, simply unbolt the 12mm nut at the top that goes through the swaybar, and loosten the 14mm bottom bolt. There IS a special trick to this...You'll need a 14mm flat wrench to hold the back side of the nut, between the hub and the rubbery thingamabob at the end of the end link (More picture here) With the endlink out, it is much easier to drill, as you can put it in a vice. You can also go ahead and remove any rust, paint it, ect. if you feel it's needed

Since the endlinks are out of your way, you can easily press svxfiles's's'ss bushings into the swaybar. Its best to put the rubber part in first, then the brass insert. Though lubrication isnt necicarry, I decided for the rubber-metal contact that some of the extra sway bar bushing grease would be appropriate to add, and it did help the install a bit.

Now it's time top put your endlinks back in....same way they came out, only backwards. Make sure everything is oriented correctly (If you have trouble remembering how things went back together, you can always do this one side at a time, so you have a reference) You'll need a 14mm flat wrench and a (Guessing 8mm) allen key wrench to tighten up the new, larger bolt tom provides for his endlink bushing. (Picture a picture here)

Now for the part that sucked for me...the rear sway bar bushings. Now, the replacements are allegedly a factory fit. Um. No. No they arent.
The factory bushing is narrower than the replacment, which, oh, great! We have thicker bushings! BUT, it makes it a tight fitment at the bends of the swaybar. Also, the factory bracket does not fit the new bushings....So you have to use the bracket they provide. The factory bracket is staggered, just like the front (One leg is longer than the other) AND has the nuts spot welded to it. The solution: use the bracket provided with the new bushings, and tighten the ever loving snot out of it, untill it bends to the correct shape. I dont know if hardware was supposed to be supplied with the kit(I only got washers) but I used stainless hardware store bolts with nylock nuts and some nice washers.

Anyhow...back on track...To remove the factory bushings, you'll need a 12mm ratchet and a few extensions. The bolts go into the bracket from behind...The bottom bolt is easily accessible, but the top isnt. a flat wrench, even a ratchetng one, won't be able to move enough to tun the bolt...So you need to ue a ratchet. Of course, it wont just FIT there, so you'll have to do some creative fitment. I used an extension to get past the exhaust and hangers, and it went pretty easilly.(insert image)
The good thing about the new diy mounting hardware was I was able to put the nuts up front, so Id only have to hold the bolt from behind with a flat wrench while I turned from the front

the final verdict: WOW!
As soon as I pulled it out of the driveway I felt the diffrence. The car do the usual "Lean and waddle" when I made the sharp left onto the road.I took it for a short but spirited drive. the car feels more sprightly..It turns in faster, and the rear end finally keeps up with the front. The car stays a little flatter, and the steering feel is much better. All in all, it just feels more stable on the back roads. Theese upgrades definantly allow you to make better use of your factory suspension components.
For anyone looking to do a cheap upgrade to their suspension, or something to compliment other mods (albeit suspension, brake, or engine mods) this is quite possibly the best 70$ you can spend.
__________________
R.I.P Cool Signature.
You're gone but not forgotten. I mean, sure, I kindof don't remember some of the finer details..but I remember you were funny, and at one point you said spaghetti in Dutch....but definantly not forgotten


Last edited by It's Just Eric; 10-18-2007 at 11:02 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 11-02-2007, 05:19 PM
94SubieSVX's Avatar
94SubieSVX 94SubieSVX is offline
OOC for a while
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Hamilton, NJ
Posts: 1,552
Send a message via AIM to 94SubieSVX
Hmmm, do you have any pics of the rear swaybar bushings?? And where'd you get them. I got the 15min/$15 mod in, just waiting for the 20min/$20 mod from OT. I bought the front swaybar bushings, just gotta put them in. Aynway, where'd you get the rear swaybar bushings and how much???
__________________
bLAh
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 11-02-2007, 05:50 PM
Myxalplyx's Avatar
Myxalplyx Myxalplyx is offline
XT6 is SVX's Daddy
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: New Castle, DE
Posts: 1,113
Send a message via ICQ to Myxalplyx Send a message via AIM to Myxalplyx Send a message via Yahoo to Myxalplyx
Thanks for the posting. I always love threads like this where during installation, pics are shown to show stages in the install and such. It makes you seem like you are going through the same thing and it helps when you take on the same project.
__________________
Kevin Thomas
1997 2.2ltr Subaru Impreza Outback Sport Wagon (AWD/Auto) 13.03@100mph
1989 2.7ltr Subaru XT6 (AWD/Auto) 15.912@85.93mph
1996 3.3ltr SVX (AWD/Auto) 15.070@91.38mph
***R.I.P***
2010 RAV4 AWD Sport (13.717 @ 99.19mph )
2015 Honda Fit LX CVT (15.2 @ 90mph)
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 11-03-2007, 12:35 PM
svxash's Avatar
svxash svxash is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Casper,Wyoming
Posts: 572
Registered SVX
How doe the ride compare to a stock setup? Is it a lot firmer or harsh in anyway?
__________________
1997 Boudreaux LSi
1994 SVX LSi(SOLD)
Kool Blue air filter, 4500k HID's, airbox mod, Hella horns, WRX 6 disc stereo, Infinity Reference and Clarion Pro Audio speakers, Infinity basslink sub, ECUtune Stage 1v5, ECUtune TCU, Power mode mod, Mad muffler mod v1.3
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 03:41 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
© 2001-2015 SVX World Network
(208)-906-1122