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Old 05-06-2010, 02:22 AM
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Re: Svx Models, How Many Produced?

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Phil,
What is the date on your S40II seat belts?
It says 1994, which confirms what I said earlier about CXW005082 being manufactured June/July 1994.
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Export markets were not shown in the new links, but perhaps most domestic produced Japan models were for domestic consumption
All JDM models were for domestic consumption. That's what Japanese Domestic Market means.

The few JDM models that ended up in UK, NZ, USSR, Canada, (USA) etc. were bought from Japanese dealers and imported, not ordered direct from the factory.
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Re: Svx Models, How Many Produced?

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I'd also guess that Jan to Mar 93 was the S40. What number is your car Joe?
The number of mine is 4371 Phil. That implies January 1993 as you suggest.

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Re: Svx Models, How Many Produced? FTW!

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US:
CXW AY7E- 92 LS-L
CXV CY5E- 94 [FWD?]
CXW DY7E- 95 LSi
CXW FY7E- 97 LSi

AU
CXW AU7E- 92
CXW DU7E- 95

UK:
CXW AK7E- 92
CXW BK7E- [95 registration]

FR:
CXW BL7E-

SWISS:
CXW CL7E- [95 registration]

JAPAN:
CXW A23E- VERSION-E, S40, S40II
CXD A25E- VERSION-L
CXW D22E- S3
CXW D23E- S4?

MID-EAST:
CXW TE0R
CXW TE0S- for GCC
CXW BL0E- for Levant

NZ:
CXD A25E- VERSION-L




OKAY, check it out, we have enough information to begin to decode the APPLIED MODEL,

All SVX registration lists should be categorized by APPLIED MODEL YEAR:
A, B, C, D, E, F.

CX@ A, 1992
CX@ B, 1993
CX@ C, 1994
CX@ D, 1995
CX@ E, 1996
CX@ F, 1997

Further, the following conclusions seem evident:

CXD- AWD-4WS
CXW- AWD
CXV- FWD

The fifth character seems to indicate a world market, but I don’t have enough Model numbers to determine if Canada and US are the same.
This is what seems correct at this point:

CXWA Y 7E,, Y= US [North America?]
CXWA K 7E,, K= United Kingdom [?]
CXWA L 7E,, L= EURO [France, Swiss so far]
CXWA U 7E,, U= Australia
CXWA 2 3E,, 2= Japanese Domestic Market
CXWA 2 5E,,
CXWT E 0R,, E= Gulf region [GCC]

All codes seem to end in E, except Dan’s GCC 'R' code, perhaps this is a code for non-catalyst

All codes have consistant A-F Manufacture, except Dan's GCC 'T' code.

What seems to be left, is to figure out the 6th and 7th characters
Ron, this thread has WIN written all over it!

These derivations and assumptions are at last giving us good hard information as to what the VIN #s and other coding means.

We are not going to be agreeing on the "model year" business, as the concept of a model year does not apply in any other world market except the US. However your deduction that the Applied Model Code will give us indications of both what market the car was destined for, plus a clue when it was manufactured, this is a brilliant observation.

Earl and I have been drawing up and populating the world list. This information has primary key drivers and we have been insisting on the VIN being supplied as it is a signature piece of data.

Now I realise that the AMC is also vital. We will expand the Registration Database to include a column for the AMC.

The first derivation I noticed when assessing the trim codes was that there is a relationship between colour codes and marketing year [Rest of World] or Model Year [USA] Armed with all this new information we now know plenty about the origin of the cars based on the VIN plate information.

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Re: Svx Models, How Many Produced? Correction:

US:
CXW AY7E- 92 LS-L
CXV CY5E- 94 [FWD?]
CXW DY7E- 95 LSi
CXW FY7E- 97 LSi

AU
CXW AU7E- 92
CXW DU7E- 95

UK:
CXW AK7E- 92
CXW BK7E- [95 registration]

FR:
CXW BL7E-

SWISS:
CXW CL7E- [95 registration]

JAPAN:
CXW A23E- VERSION-E, S40, S40II
CXD A25E- VERSION-L
CXW D22E- S3
CXW D23E- S4?

MID-EAST:
CXW TE0R
CXW TE0S- for GCC
CXW BL0E- for Levant

NZ:
CXD A25E- VERSION-L. This is a second-hand JDM car registered in NZ. Correction:
CXW AU 7E. As per Ewie's submitted information. This is the native AMC for NZ




OKAY, check it out, we have enough information to begin to decode the APPLIED MODEL,

All SVX registration lists should be categorized by APPLIED MODEL YEAR:
A, B, C, D, E, F.

CX@ A, 1992
CX@ B, 1993
CX@ C, 1994
CX@ D, 1995
CX@ E, 1996
CX@ F, 1997

Further, the following conclusions seem evident:

CXD- AWD-4WS
CXW- AWD
CXV- FWD

The fifth character seems to indicate a world market, but I don’t have enough Model numbers to determine if Canada and US are the same.
This is what seems correct at this point:

CXWA Y 7E,, Y= US [North America?]
CXWA K 7E,, K= United Kingdom [?]
CXWA L 7E,, L= EURO [France, Swiss so far]
CXWA U 7E,, U= Australia
CXWA 2 3E,, 2= Japanese Domestic Market
CXWA 2 5E,,
CXWT E 0R,, E= Gulf region [GCC]

All codes seem to end in E, except Dan’s GCC 'R' code, perhaps this is a code for non-catalyst

All codes have consistant A-F Manufacture, except Dan's GCC 'T' code.

What seems to be left, is to figure out the 6th and 7th characters

Ron, adjustments to your list for NZ above in red.

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Hi Joe,

Thanks for the corrections, and confirming the NZ model was the same as the AU model, likely with different Option Codes .

I was aware that the VL was an import, just noting that it was currently in NZ per their import law .

Please move this thread to Registration, making it easier to find this thread with the Low Mileage and Trim Registration threads

Once we get the Applied Models sorted out, and LEARN WHAT MAKES THE CARS THE SAME, we can then see what Option Codes MAKE THE CARS DIFFERENT, ie, from US to Canada, Paraguay to France, Australia to NZ.

You and I have been discussing different specs for years, so, our threads seem to be a natural progression of this

Earl could really help, by posting his Applied Model codes for each year he has, and he has each year, EARL
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Re: Svx Models, How Many Produced?

Earl,

Please post the APPLIED MODEL code and OPTION CODE for each of your 1993 models .

I'm assuming the four are the same, and assuming that the AM is CXWBY7E, unless the low volume anniversary model was built as a special Option 'A' code. Thanks,

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Re: Svx Models, How Many Produced?

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It says 1994, which confirms what I said earlier about CXW005082 being manufactured June/July 1994.

All JDM models were for domestic consumption. That's what Japanese Domestic Market means.

The few JDM models that ended up in UK, NZ, USSR, Canada, (USA) etc. were bought from Japanese dealers and imported, not ordered direct from the factory.
Phil, great, thanks,

Thanks for the input on import/export. This is MORE PROOF of the importance of the SVX, as VEHICLE X was to be exported to global markets.

As for the seat belt dates, that too is interesting. I would agree that the car was manufactured in 1994, but the car is an 'A' applied model. This seems to indicate, at least in Japan, that Japan allows emission certification for essentually the same model, but different year release dates. Again, the S40 and S40II were only 300 units each, Japan didn't insist on the expense of separate certification.

My vote is to catagorize these models according to Applied Model, like the others, noting a difference in Option Code.
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Ron, it seems the codes in my area (Middle East = GCC + Levant) have a "0" as a digit before the last.

The Levant car "BL0E" is somehow similar to the French and Swiss model as well as the Paraguay model. They are all LHD and their digits patterns are the same:

B L 7 E = France
C L 7 E = Swiss
B L 0 E = Lebanon (Levant)
D L 7 E = Latin America

EDIT: Just asked a seller on Ebay Germany to send me his car's VIN number. He send me JF1 CXWAL0E H003064. Now things are getting weird. Could there be a difference in model between France and Germany so that the Levant and German are the same whereas the French SVX is a little different? Let me ask more EBAY sellers in Germany about their Vins. Btw EARL if you want to note down that car in your records, Germany, 229000 Kms, Vin = JF1 CXWAL0E H003064, year = 01. 11. 1992 and color is claret.


Furthermore upon checking the resemblance of cars between France (Pierre-Olivier & Naru), Paraguay (MadMaxSVX) and Levant (A friend of mine's car), they do have all the same options: Power mode button, front fender blinkers, etc...


The only missing link in all this is the GCC SVX. As Harvey mentioned long time ago, my non-catalyst model cannot exist but in the GCC region since gas is super cheap (20 liters = 4$) and they don't have any environmental restrictions (it is all desert around here... )
Dan,

Please ask for APPLIED MODEL and OPTION CODE, and a picture of the fuse box cover under hood.

VINs are country specific, not interested here, as this has nothing to do with Subaru production spec, but a country by country registration. US VINs do not even include the APPLIED MODEL.

In this same theme, I believe that our cars should be registered on this forum according to Applied Model and Manufacture date, not VIN. VINs are personal information. With a US VIN, I can get a key made and 'steal' most SVXes I can apply for a 'lost title'. In the age of identity theft, I don't understand the collection of VINs.

Back on subject, we will sort the last two characters soon. The sixth has to do with a model designation, per Phil's link, meaning VE, VL, LSL, etc. Will get to that once we have more info.

I believe the 7th digit, the last 'E' represents EMISSION EQUIPPED.

This 'E' is consistant with all known markets except the GCC SVX, which does not have an 'E', in the 7th spot, meaning, those cars were not built to any emission standard. It was decided that the GCC SVX had non-coated catalysts, but otherwise, the same shape and construction as all other world market SVX. But we have two GCC codes, 'R' and 'S'. We will need some help from you as to the differences, a confirmation of R and S, then try to figure it out.

The GCC has a 'T' in the fourth spot, also different from typical Model designations of ABCDEF, another mystery to solve. Perhaps there is no need for model year type designations in these markets?

The Levant SVX has the 'E', thus, the car was built with coated cats. This is not authoritative, just my best guess based on the 'E', and based on previous threads discussing your GCC car.

EDIT: The Levant car is very consistant, CXW BLOE: B=1993, L=Levant, France, Swiss, Paraguay, 0 is the internal model designation, and E means EMISSION EQUIPPED.

My best guess to date gentlemen
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Re: Svx Models, How Many Produced?

Joe,

Once we finally learn how the cars are THE SAME in the eyes of Subaru, via APPLIED MODEL CODE, then we can learn how the cars ARE DIFFERENT in the eyes of Subaru [per our observation], via the OPTION CODES .

We can't be so concerned with jurisdictional differences, ie, VIN or Registration dates. What is interesting and sought here, is SUBARU'S SIGNATURE ON THE CARS.

Subaru's signature is the APPLIED MODEL and OPTION CODE
These codes are the TRUE BIRTH CERTIFICATES
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Joe,

If you want to email your spread sheet on registration, I can review for conclusions. I will then delete to privacy issues, I don't wish to keep records with VINs.

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As this information relates to APPLIED MODEL,

EWIE reports 34 SVX sent to NZ
MadMaxSVX reports 5 SVX sent to Paraguay
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I can hardly keep up! I will list all AMCs for my cars, but it will take a little time.

As far as the VIN, in the US, you have to show the title to your car and sign a book that you got a key make before you can get one. It isn't a simple thing to have a key made. It takes much more than a VIN to apply for a list title as well. The VIN doesn't really have much personal info at all. It just shows the order of manufacture, year manufactured, trim, FWD or AWD etc. It can tell me whatever I need to know about the car if you understand it. The AMC can do very much the same and because they did not give a VIN to some shipped to different countries, the AMC shows much of the same information.

Our biggest problem is that members don't put down the AMC even though we have asked for it. There really hasn't been much interest in what we have been doing along those lines. Some of us of course are very interested in all of this and more.

I will also get the other car on the list that you gave info on. Thanks

Now with all of that said, Ron, when are you going to register yours?
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Now with all of that said, Ron, when are you going to register yours?
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I can hardly keep up! I will list all AMCs for my cars, but it will take a little time.

As far as the VIN, in the US, you have to show the title to your car and sign a book that you got a key make before you can get one. It isn't a simple thing to have a key made. It takes much more than a VIN to apply for a list title as well. The VIN doesn't really have much personal info at all. It just shows the order of manufacture, year manufactured, trim, FWD or AWD etc. It can tell me whatever I need to know about the car if you understand it. The AMC can do very much the same and because they did not give a VIN to some shipped to different countries, the AMC shows much of the same information.

Our biggest problem is that members don't put down the AMC even though we have asked for it. There really hasn't been much interest in what we have been doing along those lines. Some of us of course are very interested in all of this and more.

I will also get the other car on the list that you gave info on. Thanks

Now with all of that said, Ron, when are you going to register yours?
Hi Earl,

First, I'm guessing that you have maybe 8 AMCodes:
CXWAY7E, BY7E, CY7E, DY7E, EY7E, FY7E, CXWA23E, and a LS AMCode.

Okay, I'm a bit paranoid, alot, but didn't you see Gone-in-60-seconds ?
We have had SVX reported on this board to be stolen, not just the one where the thief found the key, we don't know how or why.

What exactly does a VIN tell you, that interests you? This is a sincere question.

A VIN can retrieve much personal info, that seems inappropriate, like location of the car, and is often, but not always linked to key codes. Worse yet, US cars have the VIN in plain view. If you believe these cars will really be worth something someday, these questions could be relevant.

I have had no trouble getting keys made, and I would believe that not everyone with access to VINs and therefore, key codes would refuse a proper payoff? How well was that Pace Car guarded?

More seriously, IF WE UNDERSTOOD AND LISTED the following, wouldn't APPLIED MODEL, OPTION CODE, TRIM CODE, COLOR CODE, ENGINE TYPE, TRANSMISSION TYPE, adding MANUFACTURE DATE and ORIGINAL COUNTRY, tell us EVERYTHING WE NEED TO KNOW?

I would be happy to register my cars by providing the complete list above !
Would that be enough information?

Isn't everything we really need to know, to understand and compare SVX WORLD-WIDE right there, on that plate? We just haven't looked at all of it yet, or compared it yet, so, we don't understand it yet.

I do agree, that on a limited production model, like a US-93, that it is interesting to see who has #3, or #300, etc., I get that

I would like to EXPAND this thread to collect ALL INFORMATION on the strut tower, including and especially including ENGINE and TRANS TYPE. I know much about the trans types, nothing about the engine types.

I believe that the Registration Form should modified, on all threads, to include the SIX numbers on the strut plate, plus the Manufacture date on those cars that show it. You and Joe have already created Color code pages, etc.,

With the above information, a master file can show markets have what engine, trans, can show what Color and Trim codes mean, etc.

Also, could we move this thread to REGISTRATION?
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