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[Tim]

Originally Posted by TomsSVX

*dusts shoulders off*

this thread is full of the reasons we are closing. We could stay open... but this just makes my day

Tom

now tom has time to pick up ze womenz at ze barz wiz mez

[sicksubie]

Originally Posted by Tim

now tom has time to pick up ze womenz at ze barz wiz mez

As long as he gets the grease out from under his fingernails before going out... Although I have heard Jersey women are not too picky, so maybe he will have a shot after all...

[Trevor]

Originally Posted by svxistentialist

There are a lot of people here who have great time for Jason, including me. However when the ban was incurred tempers were high here, rules were broken, warnings were ignored, you had to be there.

So I don't really agree with your statement about doing the forums a disservice. If everybody is allowed to carry on like there are no rules, then rules are worse than useless. In fact I happen to think that having two forums is actually better for SVX owners at large.

Plus I would totally endorse your opinion of Jason and Jessi, they are genuine people who will go the extra mile [or 120! ] to take care of SVX people. Tom is closing down probably because there was not the volume of business from SVX people to cover the overheads. Jason is sticking with it. You guys are lucky to have such quality mechanics near you, and they deserve your business and support. Thank you for the write up.

Joe

Joe in the first post in reply as above, exactly clarified the issue. There was no need for stupid assumptions. “redad’ is now due an apology.

The contentious statement:-

“After all Tom's going out of business but Jason still survives, there must be some good reasons for that!”

If anything, the above amounted to no more than a somewhat poor arrangement of words, as could be easily understood on the basis of the preceding text.

Surely it was not difficult to understand that the writer intended to advise, ---

The fact that Tom is going out of business shows that things are very difficult, therefore there must be some good reason that Jason still survives.

Not as has been misconstrued, i.e. ---

Tom is going out of business which shows that he is not as good as Jason.

Posts #5 and #6 were very much reactionary and ill considered. What is more, officially announcing --- “This statement was not called for. Telling your story about Jason if fine, but please, no personal attacks. There is no positive input from statements like that.” --- surely constitutes an absurd distortion of the truth. There was and is no personal attack.

I now note that the original post, which for no good reason caused all the stupid furore, has been censored, therefore “redad” has been declared guilty of a personal attack and is denied evidence in defence. This evidence being the fact that his only guilt, was to inadvertently compile a rather clumsy piece of text.

[radad]

Originally Posted by Trevor

Joe in the first post in reply as above, exactly clarified the issue. There was no need for stupid assumptions. “redad’ is now due an apology.

I now note that the original post, which for no good reason caused all the stupid furore, has been censored, therefore “redad” has been declared guilty of a personal attack and is denied evidence in defence. This evidence being the fact that his only guilt, was to inadvertently compile a rather clumsy piece of text.

Well put trevor, and very analytical. You are indeed one of the "rocket scientist" guys on this forum. But yea I am guilty, and my words were well chosen. But I won't present my defense, because nothing good will come of it. Only YT and myself know why I said what I did, and lets leave it at that.

[ensteele]

Originally Posted by radad

Well put trevor, and very analytical. You are indeed one of the "rocket scientist" guys on this forum. But yea I am guilty, and my words were well chosen. But I won't present my defense, because nothing good will come of it. Only YT and myself know why I said what I did, and lets leave it at that.

And we are not as dumb as Trevor thinks we are. We react to posts like this because of some of the problems that we have had in the past and want to stop problems before they start and get out of hand. Thank you for clearing this up and chosing not to escalate the situation.

[ensteele]

Originally Posted by Trevor

Joe in the first post in reply as above, exactly clarified the issue. There was no need for stupid assumptions. “redad’ is now due an apology.

The contentious statement:-

“After all Tom's going out of business but Jason still survives, there must be some good reasons for that!”

If anything, the above amounted to no more than a somewhat poor arrangement of words, as could be easily understood on the basis of the preceding text.

Surely it was not difficult to understand that the writer intended to advise, ---

The fact that Tom is going out of business shows that things are very difficult, therefore there must be some good reason that Jason still survives.

Not as has been misconstrued, i.e. ---

Tom is going out of business which shows that he is not as good as Jason.

Posts #5 and #6 were very much reactionary and ill considered. What is more, officially announcing --- “This statement was not called for. Telling your story about Jason if fine, but please, no personal attacks. There is no positive input from statements like that.” --- surely constitutes an absurd distortion of the truth. There was and is no personal attack.

I now note that the original post, which for no good reason caused all the stupid furore, has been censored, therefore “redad” has been declared guilty of a personal attack and is denied evidence in defence. This evidence being the fact that his only guilt, was to inadvertently compile a rather clumsy piece of text.

As you can see Trevor, there were no stupid assumptions. We saw it for what it was and wanted to stop this from getting out of hand. At least Redad admitted his intensions. Joe does not owe him an apology.

[shotgunslade]

I characterize Tom's recent decision to give up his shop space as a re-evaluation of his level of expenditure on his hobby rather than "going out of business." Frankly, All We'll Drive was a labor of love from the very beginning and he gives away far too much of his time to fellow SVX'ers ever to make it a profitable business. He has done great work for me in his mom's driveway in Beach Haven, in the 8' by 16' garage he rented in north Philly and in his new shop, and will probably do more in whatever venue becomes available. And, he has never let me pay him as much as I think I should pay him. Unfortunately, the SVX world is shrinking, and the number of opportunities to do the kind of big ticket mods that are needed to support the rent on his current shop are also dwindling.

I have no comment on Budfreak or any of the other actors in this drama, but I think the unfortunate introduction of Tom's decision to avoid bankrupting himself with his SVX hobby needed a response.

[Trevor]

Originally Posted by ensteele

As you can see Trevor, there were no stupid assumptions. We saw it for what it was and wanted to stop this from getting out of hand. At least Redad admitted his intensions. Joe does not owe him an apology.

In no way did I indicate that Joe needed to make any sort of apology and in fact I pointed out that his response was in fact exactly relevant and correct.

While your assumptions have turned out to be correct, I retain my view that making an accusation on the basis of same was unwise and the heavy handed.

N.B. The comments and reference to the possibility of defence as posted by by "radad" -----

"Well put trevor, and very analytical. You are indeed one of the "rocket scientist" guys on this forum. But yea I am guilty, and my words were well chosen. But I won't present my defense, because nothing good will come of it. Only YT and myself know why I said what I did, and lets leave it at that."

Thankfully the issue can be closed on the basis of, all is well that ends well.

[SVXyGirl]

Yay for Budfreak.

Yay for Tom.

Yay for the SVX.

Yay for both forums.

Please, lets just move on.....






kthnxbye

[TomsSVX]

Why am I or any other Tom dragged into this at all?

Tom

[Johnybeas]

Drama thread! So I might step on some toes here, but I've tried to become somewhat a contributing member in this community so I feel entitled to post my opinion.

I think all in all a thread in essence, is based upon a childish pretense of "this guy is cool, you guys suck for banning him!" all other flack accrued along the way was bound to happen, and is a given when one looks at the title of the thread.

This being said, although not needed I want to shout out for Tom because he has been there for me as an SVX owner far more than he probably knows or remembers. He has answered questions for me from day one way back before I even did anything to my SVX.

He helped me to get through my very amateur knowledge of cars and wiring to be able to ultimately finish my 5 speed conversion. He has been an inspiration to me of things that are possible on this beautiful car.

He has also gone above and beyond helping those of us with a passion to modify our SVXes I am a proud owner of one of the very few Hydra powered SVXes. Which wouldn't even be possible had he not gone out and spent his time learning about them so that he could get all of us such a great product. And when I had an issue with my hydra I could not figure out I called him up and he sat on the phone and helped me figure it out. This among so many other things really set Tom apart for me. I will soon be buying my Koni's from him as well

Budfreak or Jason on the other hand, has never offended me, but I have dealt with him very little and I'm sure he's a fine individual and mechanic. Most of what I know of him however, are the constant flood of people coming over to the SVXWN and shouting his praises or attacking other members here claiming that they offended him or whatever by banning him. I find these type of threads very irritating, childish, and distracting. I'm sure budfreak is very happy with his own forum and the visitors to his website. Nothing is stopping any member here from joining his forum. I for one am a member of both.

[Wikedjuggalo]

Sorry had to... I see it coming.

[benebob]

Originally Posted by TomsSVX

Why am I or any other Tom dragged into this at all?

Tom

Cough... Cough... You made me nearly choke on my popcorn!

[TomsSVX]

Originally Posted by benebob

Cough... Cough... You made me nearly choke on my popcorn!

Did I miss something?

Tom

[SVXRide]

IBTL!
-Bill