A Whole Forum Full Of Porters $ Portaloo Stuff !!

[Trevor]

Portable to Noble. 10-18-2003

I had always been under the impression that you were a nice guy with
an unfortunately abrasive way of communicating. I appear to have been wrong. I now understand that you truly are an asshole.

I'll have to call Bill and let him know that you consider him a "salesman", he'll find that hilarious. As a veteran electrical engineer of 35+ years and a former employee of both Bell Labs and Lucent Technologies, he's something of an antisocial gnome. Thanks for providing some comic relief in the middle of your incredibly misdirected diatribe.

I'll rest my hat on the fact that I've designed and integrated award winning systems that cost more than your entire net worth. Whether you think they're based on "bad science" or not is irrelevent, because frankly your opinion doesn't matter, nor do your arguments. You are in fact irrelevant to the subject matter.
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Noble to Portable. 10-18-2003

You have directly insulted me by calling me an Ò asshole Ò , but as is your practice offer no facts. I could ignore you with the contempt you deserve but as this is public domain you force me to take you to task and herewith I do so.

You say I have ---- Ò an unfortunately abrasive way of communicating Ó Possibly this is because I deal in facts and do not beat about the bush. Take it or leave it.

I did not call your Bill a Ò salesman Ò or in any way insult him or infer insult and if he is as you describe I have in mind communicating with him as we should have similar interests. I doubt that in reality he accepts the properties of Monster or any other such cable as you do.

I quote you. --- Ò I'll rest my hat on the fact that I've designed and integrated award winning systems that cost more than your entire net worth.Ó

You have designed nothing. You have simply connected up a set of store bought components. The award was, I have no doubt, industry generated. I could state what I am worth but I will not.

Your posts have contributed nothing to this thread. You have not recorded a single fact or made a statement of valid interest or made an attempt to assist. However you have unwittingly provided me and others here with concrete evidence confirming all I have said regarding the existence of a specialised BS industry.

You have proven that you are included among the gullible technically ignorant many, who once conned with dishonest sales propaganda into purchasing an expensive item, as a result of ego persuade themselves that the purchase must conform exactly with exaggerated expectations. There is no way these self opinionated types will ever admit even to themselves of having through ignorance made a mistake. You are not unusual in that you conform, but as you have given me the right as a result of your insult, I now say you are stupid.

I do not claim particular merit in respect of knowledge as you do, but I am quite certain that my knowledge experience and wisdom exceeds yours. You have painted yourself into a corner and you must hope that the paint dries. At the moment it is exceedingly sticky.
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Portable to Noble. 10-21-2003

No, smartass... I got it very clearly. As I said before, I got your whole "even if angels were listening" jab and the string of poorly considered plays on words that followed. I just don't think your condescending method of communication is very witty. Such smashing display of verbal acrobatics is simply brilliant, by jove old chap!

Your use of "Regards" at the end of most of your posts is equally irritating. Repetition of the word indicates a lack thereof. "Special Regards" is in and of itself offensive, and needs no repetition.

I do thank you however, for pointing out my math error. For some unknown reason I wrote down the wrong set of figures off my scratch pad last night and unwittingly introduced a large amount of confusion into my statement. You are correct, .53 inches of cross sectional conductive surface area. Thanks for the heads up.
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Noble to Portable. 10-21-2003

Fellow smartass, one single fact or answer to a question is what is required. You duck shove and go off topic at every stage of the debate. Answer and answer with facts not bull****.

As I pointed out even a fool could see the figures you quoted were wrong. Have you know idea of what a square inch looks or feels like. It does make one wonder regarding your claims regarding your hearing as well as your exact appreciation of cross sectional area relative to a conductor.

You say -- [I wrote down the wrong set of figures off my scratch pad LAST NIGHT and unwittingly introduced a large amount of confusion into my statement.] The figures were clearly contained within a previous post which you had lifted and quoted. There was and is no confusion. I say you are a liar.
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Noble to Portable. 10-22-2003

I repeat one of my previous posts, even though you do no appreciate my reference to angels, as you have so sarcastically recorded : -

Ò The debate here is that a speaker circuit comprising monster, mammoth, or whatever branded cable will not provide a better circuit than a conductor of normal conductive material having an adequate cross sectional area and there will be no difference in the signal received by the speaker and therefore the sound generated no matter if the angels are listening. State one proven FACT exactly RELATIVE to the debate.Ó

You have personally abused me on the grounds that I use accurate and therefore formal english which is an absolute necessity when dealing with technical matters. Your posts are evidence of my valid reasons. Your text displays confusion and error all constantly requiring query and correction.

You have set down evidence that you do not understand the single, simple, concise issue in debate and make no direct reference to that topic. You have not answered a single question directly put to you. Off topic subjects comprise the total content of your posts.

As a result this thread does not constitute a debate. Your posts show clearly that your main desire has been to impress what you hope is a captive audience with your perceived knowledge and intellect. Whether or not you have been successful in this endeavour will be judged by others.

As true debate is non existent and impossible to instate I leave you to your fiction and soap box. I will return to my formality and facts.

P.S.----- I am very sure we would in FACT enjoy a beer and a good bloody old fashioned eyeball argument.
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Portable to Noble. 10-24-2003

It's not a fantastic statement. When a cable has been moved and bent and reset to a new position, it takes a few days of use for the impedance curve to settle back out again. Any wire changes impedance when you bend it. I have no idea how or why letting the cable "burn in" for a few days is effective, but the result is audible.

As for the construction of the cables, I would like to refer you to www.straightwire.com , but I cannot at the moment because it seems their site is down. I'll suffice to say that there are a lot of conductors in there, some bigger and some smaller, filled out by a whole lot of dielectric and wrapped in braided teflon.
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Noble to Portable. 10-25-2003

Since typing the above I have been able to look over the site you have suggested and it is now clear as to from where you have directly lifted the colourful dialogue you have been forcing on me.
Now that I have viewed the source of your information I terminate my interest in any further exchange with you.

I realise I have been completely wasting my time. I encourage all others viewing this thread to have a look at the site so that they may digest the magic words.

A random extract of one tiny piece of the bull**** quoted : -

Ò Basic speaker wire with two parallel conductors act as magnets
which rolls off (cancels) part of the music signal. Ò

Porter do you not question why not a single figure or specification or factual evidence is provided. Is it not reasonable to expect figures and specifications in support of any technical product ? I can not believe any one with even slight electrical knowledge could be taken in by such utter rubbish. You have my sympathy.
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Portable to All ! 10-25-2003 ( In absolute Panic )

That is NOT the Straightwire site. I have no idea where that came from. It looks like something put together by an intern. The old site had a lot of good information, flash animations, very professionally done. I have no idea where that thing came from, I note the date is 1998?

Very strange. Maybe they had some kind of computer failure or something and had to put something back up in a hurry.

The statement about magnets is retarded. I should have known better than to post a broken link............Please, make it go away.........

[edit]I've been looking further at the site... it's totally unlike the Straightwire site that used to be there, this seems to be some kind of joke, or maybe the company got bought out by illiterates? Some of the finest speakers in the world are wired internally with Straightwire. I hope this doesn't indicate that the company no longer exists.
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Inserted out of date order for reasons of clarity.

Quoted below are e-mail messages, which can be verified. The original enquiry was sent using only and strictly the contact information published in the----- Ò Please, make it go away Ò,----- Straitwire site as posted by Portable. ( See above.)

From: <Straightwire.com>
Date Friday, October 31, 2003 06.38 AM
Subject: RE Speaker Cable

Thank you for your interest in Straight Wire. We make speaker cables with as few as one conductor (Duo) to as many as twelve (Crescendo). The descriptions on our web-site refers to a single run. You need a single run to each speaker or a pair of cables. In Los Angeles the best retailer is Shelly's Stereo in Woodland Hills. They can be reached at 818-716-8500.
Thank you.

-----Original Message-----
From: Noble Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 6:39 PM
To: info@straightwire.com
Subject: Speaker Cable

I have been looking at your web site and am interested in your speaker cables.

You show a range of multi wire round cables but it not clear as to whether these comprise a single conductor, meaning that two per speaker are required, or if each contains two conductors for the two circuits. Further information would be appreciated.

I have a friend who will be in L.A. shortly so that he could purchase what I require. Please advise stockists of your products in central L.A.
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Those who have genuine basic technical knowledge and are in the mood for a laugh should have a look at the Sraightwire site.

For those bent on argument the site illustrates and provides absolute evidence of the existence a bull**** industry exactly in line with what I have claimed throughout this debate and in addition evidence is recorded here to show that Portable is stupid.
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Noble to Portable. 10 -25 -2003

1. Why is it that the site you put forward as evidence is now some how a ghost.
2. Why is it all the dialogue you have used throughout the thread and presented as evidence is clearly outlined in that site ?
3. Why should we believe that someone who can not appreciate the substance or magnitude of 2 linear inches or 14 square inches has the sublime judgement to tell the difference in sound allegedly resulting from a mystical cable ?
4. Why is it that you have been unable to scan and publish material from the so called Straightwire organisation. ?
5. You claim to have in your possession their most expensive piece of crap. Did it not come with specifications, instructions, a warranty or some written material as would any genuine product ?

You know state : - or maybe the company got bought out by illiterates?

6. Does the Straightwire organisation still exist and if not why not, as you have claimed, as part of your supporting evidence in this debate, that they are reputable, reliable, dependable, honest and have a solid customer base. ?

Very strange. Maybe they had some kind of computer failure or something and had to put something back up in a hurry.

7. How does the above comment by you indicate integrity ?

Some of the finest speakers in the world are wired internally with Straighter.

8. The above information which you have posted is strangely included within the mystery site. Is that where you got it and if not from where did you get it and can you produce factual evidence in support of your statement ?

Jesus, guys. Why don't you take what I said completely out of context and try to paint me as some pandering lunatic.

Nothing you have said has been taken out of context as you now claim, with sarcasm and the evidence showing what you have stated is intact.

You state that you are unable to understand why sane, intelligent and informed persons regard you as stupid while at the same time you keep adding to the evidence. ----- How is your foot ?
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Sharkable to Portable. 25-10-2003

Originally posted by Portable
When I switched to the Straightwire Crescendo and let the cables wear in to their new positions over a day or so......

jeez, you can't REALLY believe this, can you?!?!? i must have missed this the first time i read your post. i am now convinced that if you believe the wires need to "relax" and get used to their new environment - not unlike introducing a new fish to an aquarium - you are completely brainwashed by the audiophile industry. be sure to keep the wires clean, too - they need to breathe - like a fine wine.
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Portable to Sharkable. 10-25-2003

I'm sorry if you don't like my wording or if I'm not kissing your ass enough to make you feel gloriously self-important like Noble.

I know what works and I have been paid very well to integrate and tune audio systems for a living. Whether my explanations massage your ego or not is of no interest to me.
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Sharkable to Portable. 10-25-2003

I guess i'm just going to need to see concrete evidence that these magic wires do what you say. do you have any waveform displays showing the additional harmonic information that expensive wires produce over regular copper?

you don't need to massage my ego - i already know that i'm the ****. you may listen to music in a room made of kryptonite and soak your wires in liquid nitrogen - it doesn't make a bit of difference to me. your ego may need to be maintained because you need to justify what you paid for your wires - I don't.
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Noble to Portable. 10-25-2003

Porter once again you have insulted me (with your post as follows) : -

I'm sorry if you don't like my wording or if I'm not kissing your ass enough to make you feel gloriously self-important like ----Noble.
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Portable to Noble. 25-10-2003

If you were here, it would be in your ass.

I have a billion dollar industry backing up my claims. You have a keyboard and an eye patch to keep you company, along with your conviction that you are the king of all things mechanical and electrical.

Screw you and the Kiwi you rode in on, old man. Nobody gives a **** what you think.
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Sharkable. to Portable. 25-10-2003

Porter, i'm piss-ass drunk right now, but i still wouldn't sink to the level you just did. Noble may be busting your balls, but he didn't resort to the type of post you just made. SHOW US SOME FACTS. not wire manufacturer site ads, FACTS. independant laboratory tests would suffice.

I sure as **** wouldn't purchase that "SVX hp increasing resistor" if i didn't see some proof, so PROVE why your expensive wires are better. There's the gauntlet ------ I just threw it at you.------
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Noble to Portable. 10-25-2003

Porter once again you record only that which you perceive and as you have clearly indicated to all the degree of that perception I am in no way concerned. You have lost it and the debate has left you behind.

I agree you are a confirmed customer of a very specific billion dollar industry and as such are a gullible audiophallic.

P.S As has been your continuing practice, once again you have not had the guts to answer a single query thrown at you.
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Sharkable to Portable. 10-26-2003

Originally posted by Portable
I have a billion dollar industry backing up my claims.

the rice industry is a billion dollar industry, too, therefore you need Altezza taillights, stickers, and neon interior accents because the industry can't be wrong.
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The debate continues.

um... i don't get it

[Aredubjay]

Originally posted by alacrity024
um... i don't get it

I get it:

Noble = Trevor
Portable = Porter


"Portable to Noble. 25-10-2003

If you were here, it would be in your ass.

I have a billion dollar industry backing up my claims. You have a keyboard and an eye patch to keep you company, along with your conviction that you are the king of all things mechanical and electrical.

Screw you and the Kiwi you rode in on, old man. Nobody gives a **** what you think. "


Way, way, way below the belt in my opinion.

Sorry Randy, I have only so much patience with sanctimony.

Trevor's self-righteous crusade has become focused entirely on me, and his continual comments about my intelligence, coupled with his libelous accusation that I actively seek to deceive and cheat people, succeeded in baiting me into an irrational response.

I have no patience for people who spend their lives on the internet attempting to slander anyone who disagrees with their worldview. My attempts to offer an olive branch to Trevor on several occasions were ignored, and so I made my feelings about his antagonism known.

It's not like this was a sudden development. This guy has been actively trying to start a fight with me for months now. If it was a low blow, so be it. I don't have the inclination to kiss ass or make nice over the situation.

[Mr. Pockets]

Okay, so why the hell is this being dragged onto this board?

[mohrds]

Someone lock this thread... Please.

[Mr. Pockets]

Originally posted by mohrds
Someone lock this thread... Please.

I concur. Just delete the sucker.

Agreed! Make it stop.

[Aredubjay]

Originally posted by Mr. Pockets
Okay, so why the hell is this being dragged onto this board?

Well, this is the "Not Exactly SVX" forum, deemed necessary since our "personal, non SVX banter" was unappreciated in other forums by, at least, one person, so, I guess anything goes here.

Porter,
I'm not taking sides here. I just become disappointed when an intellegent person (which I have no doubt that you are) is reduced to such things. From personal experience (not that I'm included in the "intellegent") I know it generally serves no other purpose than to give the "fueler" the satisfaction of knowing that they've pushed the "fuelee" over the edge.

[marlettpat]

what is this board becoming?

[Mr. Pockets]

Originally posted by Aredubjay



Well, this is the "Not Exactly SVX" forum, deemed necessary since our "personal, non SVX banter" was unappreciated in other forums by, at least, one person, so, I guess anything goes here.

Right, but this is a personal dispute on another board between two people who also happen to be members of this site.

So I ask again: why is this argument between these two being dragged onto this site? I know that they already argued a good bit in a thread on the mod forum about this matter, and I'm actually glad that they took it off-site.

But then it gets dragged back here again.

Look, I'll play the parent: Cut it out. I don't care who started it.

[Mr. Pockets]

Originally posted by marlettpat
what is this board becoming?

A tad unsupervised, for one...

[Aredubjay]

Originally posted by Mr. Pockets


Right, but this is a personal dispute on another board between two people who also happen to be members of this site.

Yes, and as such, seems to affect the way they interact here, therefore, indirectly affecting this community. It does explain the level of tension caused in other discussions on this board, so, therefore, is somewhat valid, in my opinion.

I should hope that the animosities would cease there and here before it comes to the point where we would lose a valuable member as has happened in the past. Debates over passive rear-wheel steering, notwithstanding.


What has the board come to? It is evolution, my friend. It makes monkeys of us all.

[SHISVX]

Originally posted by Mr. Pockets


A tad unsupervised, for one...

and you know what it is sad that there has to be supervision...we are all adults...well...at least almost

Kelli

[Mr. Pockets]

Originally posted by SHISVX


and you know what it is sad that there has to be supervision...we are all adults...well...at least almost

Kelli

Even adults need supervision. It's why we all have bosses.