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Old 03-24-2010, 02:25 PM
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Re: anyone that owns a prius or other (recalled toyotas )

If I remember hearing correctly, the Prius' haven't actually been recalled at all, or am i wrong?
Also, some of the recalls were for Camrys as far back as 02 or 03. Again, not 100% sure but that's what I thought I heard on the news.
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If I remember hearing correctly, the Prius' haven't actually been recalled at all, or am i wrong?
Also, some of the recalls were for Camrys as far back as 02 or 03. Again, not 100% sure but that's what I thought I heard on the news.
I read that they recalled at least 133,000 Prius, but then it could have been an erroneous report.

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Re: anyone that owns a prius or other (recalled toyotas )

At any rate, I still fail to see how a vehicle with power brakes can fail to overcome the massive power of those Prius motors

Unless youre the unlucky bastard that:

A: Has his accelerator stuck wide open from the mat or by-wire system, and
B: Brakes also stop functioning somehow, in addition to the regen braking failure which is a separate system. Then...
C: Emergency brake fails also, not your day.... and then.....
D: Vehicle was not equipped with a traditional ignition switch, you can't even turn it off.....

All of these things happening at once is a one-in-a-trillion trillion trillion chance.... otherwise you just have to put some blame on the driver for being too weak-minded for not being able to deal with emergency situations. Blaming Toyota for everything is what America has seemingly come to lately..... lack of logic and personal responsibility.
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Re: anyone that owns a prius or other (recalled toyotas )

The 10 prius was recalled, early production only, for an update to the braking software because, under a condition where the brake pedal was applied and the wheels slowed below the limit of acceptable slip ratio, the regen brake function would stop and there was a very short delay before the actual traditional brakes would then apply and enter abs mode. This wasn't really anything causing a braking loss that was dangerous, but it was perceptible. People freaked because there was a very short period where the vehicle felt like it was no longer slowing down.

01-03 prius have not been recalled since they were new, and that was a limited service campaign for a non safety issue performed by toyota for odd behavior of the electric steering motor on first startup, as well as an improvement to battery durability.
04-09 prius has not been recalled as I can "recall"


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At any rate, I still fail to see how a vehicle with power brakes can fail to overcome the massive power of those Prius motors

Unless youre the unlucky bastard that:

A: Has his accelerator stuck wide open from the mat or by-wire system, and
This won't matter because as soon as the stop lamp switch goes on MG2 will stop applying motive force to the wheels, because it also functions as the generator for the regenerative braking.

B: Brakes also stop functioning somehow, in addition to the regen braking failure which is a separate system. Then...


C: Emergency brake fails also, not your day.... and then.....



D: Vehicle was not equipped with a traditional ignition switch, you can't even turn it off.....

All of these things happening at once is a one-in-a-trillion trillion trillion chance.... otherwise you just have to put some blame on the driver for being too weak-minded for not being able to deal with emergency situations. Blaming Toyota for everything is what America has seemingly come to lately..... lack of logic and personal responsibility.


B This won't happen. It just won't. There is a hydraulic booster pump for the service brakes whose pressure is monitored, and even so they will not apply until the ECU tells them to, which it will not do while MG2 is powering the wheels, or the current thru the inverter would quickly fry it.

A, This won't matter because as soon as the stop lamp switch goes on MG2 will stop applying motive force to the wheels, because it also functions as the generator for the regenerative braking. Even if the stop lamp switch failed there are several more sensors on the brake pedal such as the stroke sensor that would see it and send it into failsafe.

C, Highly unlikely.

D No prius from 2004- has an actual key ignition. Holding down the power switch for 3 seconds will shut the system down no matter what.
It is all a crusade against toyota by detroit because they know they can't ever beat them.
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Re: anyone that owns a prius or other (recalled toyotas )

Oh, and the oldest car subject to the "big" recall is the 2005 avalon.
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Re: anyone that owns a prius or other (recalled toyotas )

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It is all a crusade against toyota by detroit because they know they can't ever beat them.

Very wrong. Ford has matched the Toyota quality for 2 or 3 years and the Fusion, for example, is a much better solution than the Prius. It can get near the mileage, bigger and better equipped and can haul more passengers in comfort. Don't be blinded by YOUR prejudices.

I admit that our strong unions with limited loyalty to the companies are a problem matching Japanese companies where unions are vertical within the company and extremely loyal to it, but what I said above is factual.

I also believe that they are predicting recall of many prior year Prius.

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Very wrong. Ford has matched the Toyota quality for 2 or 3 years and the Fusion, for example, is a much better solution than the Prius. It can get near the mileage, bigger and better equipped and can haul more passengers in comfort. Don't be blinded by YOUR prejudices.

I admit that our strong unions with limited loyalty to the companies are a problem matching Japanese companies where unions are vertical within the company and extremely loyal to it, but what I said above is factual.

I also believe that they are predicting recall of many prior year Prius.

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The prius is not about fuel economy. The prius is, and always has been, about reducing tailpipe emissions. This is why it is called an "advanced technology low emissions vehicle" This is a common misconception. Fuel economy is a side effect. It is heavily marketed because Toyota thought that it would move more units on the idea of better fuel economy than trying to sell it as an earth friendly vehicle, and they were absolutely correct. There is not a ford that burns cleaner. In fact, the ford hybrid is built under patent license from toyota, because in designing their hybrid, ford "came to the same conclusions"

And speaking of ford, they knew of the problems with the explorer's suspension years before they produced the first explorer. Due to the impressive connections of the UAW and the extreme power of lobbyists in the government, it was allowed to be kept quiet and blamed on firestone. More than half of the incidents of explorers rolling occurred on vehicles with tires other than the firestone wilderness AT that was recalled. The only way to fix the problem would have been to buy back every explorer and crush it.

I had the unique honor of writing a college paper on the ford recall.

As far as ford's quality approaching toyota's I can only say that I have been under the hood of virtually every make and model you see out there, and I can promise you, Ford, GM, and chrysler do not have the engineering prowess of Toyota. If anything, toyota's quality has fallen making it closer to fords.

Now, Honda and Subaru also make very good vehicles. They are of comparable quality to toyota.

And as for that statement being factual, I would love to read the "facts" behind it. Ford, GM, and the rest have come a long way, and they are trying real hard, but the unions and the subpar suppliers can not come through to do what it takes to make Ford a world leader in...anything. They have done the best out of the three, but that success is overshadowed by the quick progress the koreans have made that quickly bypassed them in terms of quality and engineering soundness.
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Re: anyone that owns a prius or other (recalled toyotas )

I agree completely. As someone who deals daily with supplier and union issues, and deals with MHI (Subaru is a subdivision of MHI. look at your VIN tag) KHI, and other suppliers from countries such as Italy, Spain, France, etc. etc. I can say with the upmost confidence that what most of the world have to offer does not touch the japanese in engineering. Or mechanical assembly. They do things to spec, it is done right the first time, and hardly ever is behind schedule. On the other hand, I have been doing re-work for other aerospace companies from other countries around the world for 2 years now. Most of it is hack work that does not deserve to come through the factory doors. I am constantly disgusted by the quality of work most people on this planet do.

As for american made, it does not mean anything anymore except OVERPRICED. Some american made cars, airplanes, toys, guitars, furniture, electronics, etc. are very nice. Some are a disgrace to their industry. While this is true in most places around the world, Japan happens to be one of the places that stays on the extreme side of the spectrum most often. They continually push engineering boundaries, and there is hardly every a problem with manufacturing.

I would not buy an american made car unless it was a Corvette, or a late 60's fastback. The ONLY REASON is because I fell in love as a child, and they both hold a special place for me. More of an image thing I suppose.

(By the way, I was once told that in Chinese Wal-Marts, they carry exclusively american made items)

EDIT : name more than 3 strong unions that get full benefits, make over 40 dollars an hour on average, and have pensions paying more than 90$ a month per year of service. This country is dying, and the day of the teamsters is over. There is not one union that is gaining ground in contract negotiations. We are a bunch (generally speaking) of spineless children living off of our parents hard work and devotion. Quickly plunging into debt and poverty.
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I agree completely. As someone who deals daily with supplier and union issues, and deals with MHI (Subaru is a subdivision of MHI. look at your VIN tag) KHI, and other suppliers from countries such as Italy, Spain, France, etc. etc. I can say with the upmost confidence that what most of the world have to offer does not touch the japanese in engineering. Or mechanical assembly. They do things to spec, it is done right the first time, and hardly ever is behind schedule. On the other hand, I have been doing re-work for other aerospace companies from other countries around the world for 2 years now. Most of it is hack work that does not deserve to come through the factory doors. I am constantly disgusted by the quality of work most people on this planet do.

As for american made, it does not mean anything anymore except OVERPRICED. Some american made cars, airplanes, toys, guitars, furniture, electronics, etc. are very nice. Some are a disgrace to their industry. While this is true in most places around the world, Japan happens to be one of the places that stays on the extreme side of the spectrum most often. They continually push engineering boundaries, and there is hardly every a problem with manufacturing.

I would not buy an american made car unless it was a Corvette, or a late 60's fastback. The ONLY REASON is because I fell in love as a child, and they both hold a special place for me. More of an image thing I suppose.

(By the way, I was once told that in Chinese Wal-Marts, they carry exclusively american made items)

EDIT : name more than 3 strong unions that get full benefits, make over 40 dollars an hour on average, and have pensions paying more than 90$ a month per year of service. This country is dying, and the day of the teamsters is over. There is not one union that is gaining ground in contract negotiations. We are a bunch (generally speaking) of spineless children living off of our parents hard work and devotion. Quickly plunging into debt and poverty.
MHI=FHI?

Also, I like some american made vehicles. Like the Legacy.

Legacy and Camry us part content=99%

Ford Fusion is less than that. When I looked at one when they were new, it was 51%
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Re: anyone that owns a prius or other (recalled toyotas )

Mitsubishi Heavy Industries and Fuji Heavy Industries.

And like I said, there is a lot of well made american stuff. I would rather own an import though.

Just curious, by part content do you mean the parts are machined in the US or the parts engineered in the US? Or both.
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Hummmmm---verrrrry interesting!!!

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That is interesting, but I would be willing to bet that toyotas current re-calls and all the attention it is getting from the US press is hurting it's ratings here. And everyone I know who owns a porsche has nothing but problems...but I dont blame that on the manufacturer (the people i refer to are not the smartest people i know, and I will leave it at that).

Just as a sidenote, the Prius is about to hit 150,000 miles (since '04) and has not had anyone work on it besides the standard services at the dealership. And it still runs like a top...well, a half electric top that makes funny noises all the time, hahaha.
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Re: anyone that owns a prius or other (recalled toyotas )

Porsche comes in first (not sure how that happened!)

Spewuick (GM), then Lexus (Toyota! Just not afflicted by the negative media of Toyota), then Mercury (alright, I guess Ford gets to win SOMETHING), and then Toyota (...Toyota...).

So Toyota's got 2 outta 5, GM beats out Ford, and maybe... 2010 Porsche cars are so broken the owners can't get back to the dealership to report problems?
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Re: anyone that owns a prius or other (recalled toyotas )

Most surveys are rigged anyway. I just form an opinion from years of experience. I don't have any loyalty to toyota, in fact, the worse they are the better off I am!

But i did look today at work and all of the second generation prius are getting recalled for the bullpoop floor mat interference.
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I think the drivers who stack the floor mats should be recalled
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