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Old 01-12-2003, 12:47 PM
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How about the *nix? PCs sucks at running servers and in that aspect so are the Macs.

If you want good creative apps, look at the *nix. All the great video editing apps are on *nix systems.All the great engineering apps (yeah the ones you can't even afford) are on *nix.

People just know what they use.

How about BeOS? Another good multiuser interface.

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Old 01-12-2003, 01:15 PM
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BeOS was made by mac programmers.

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Old 01-12-2003, 03:04 PM
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BeOS was made by mac programmers.

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And it is currently owned by....
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"My mac is working fine.", say's Johnny in a high, nasally, whining, mocking voice,"..."

So would any PC if Microsoft controlled and approved every piece of hardware and software written for it. God Bless every student and woman that bought an iMac because it was cute or Apple would have gone out of business a long time ago. Apple could be viewed as the very escence of American entrepeneurship or as the very example of a socialist dictatorship in how they manage and market their product. God Bless Bill Gates for his entrepeneurship and PC for it's very essence of Americanism and allowing anyone to get in on the act of creating a better piece of hardware and software. The hardware for PC's has greatly surpassed the Mac in technology, power, speed, and capability. Mac's no longer hold the technical advantage in the publishing world anymore and never did and never will for software in general.

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Old 01-12-2003, 05:29 PM
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I have built PCs for myself, governments, and NGOs. I have also put together a PowerPC before as well. I have also taken apart many other computer related toys (PDAs). All I can say is this: Macs have a way of putting things together like there is no tomorrow. I mean that is a good thing. I have open many Macs in my life and they are easy to open, easy to upgrade (not much options though) and easy to jump on when things don't work. I have tossed out a pentium 133 out of my window once as well. But when it comes to building and putting things together in a small space, I have to give it for the Macs. PC104s are not included in this discussion at all.

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How about the *nix? PCs sucks at running servers and in that aspect so are the Macs

If you want good creative apps, look at the *nix. All the great video editing apps are on *nix systems.All the great engineering apps (yeah the ones you can't even afford) are on *nix.

People just know what they use.....snip...
Although I'm no longer up to speed on computers (not in my job jar anymore) I do think back fondly to when I had two SparcStations (a 1+ and a 2, in the days of Solaris 1.X), a Mac and a PC all running over ethernet in my house.

Anyway, 28.8 modems had just come out and I got a couple of external units. The Unix boxes were working in minutes. The PC was a pain and took a little over an hour to get it working. The MAC took most of a day. My point is Mac's work great for things designed with Apple control/coordination, poorly if at all otherwise. Windows boxes work (with more effort) as long as the vendor has done a little brown-nosing with MS. *nix is it if you really want to play.

Seraph, can you confirm - I understand Sun and others no longer provide the tools to do custom kernel compiles, if true, that's sad - that's the kind of tinkering i miss.
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The year is 2020. John Doe & others who were "solidified" cyrogenically in the '70s have been thawed & are now playing catch-up. They are led to the "History Lab" & plugged into this thread. All of them ask for a little more dri-ice. This is how I feel sometimes.

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PS - Another thought crossed my "mind". What if ants are space aliens?
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Hey Lwin, do you know anything about Northwood (Intel OEM) processors? I'm putting together a pc for my father and Northwood processors are about $50 cheaper than genuine Intels. I want to save money, but don't know if there's any downsides to going OEM.

And Pete, try this link: http://discussions.virtualdr.com

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try www.tomshardware.com for pc/mac/other info.
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This is totally OT from SVX but on topic on the current topic

I believe it is true that Sun no longer provide tools to do custom compiling for their solaris kernel. Kind of sad. I have not touch a solaris machine for a while now. Kind of miss it. You can still compile your own kernel with linux though. Why I love linux. I myself run a Linux box(mandrake -- perhaps I should install solaris again), WinXP, OSX on my 533mhz PowerPC that I built pretty much from parts, and 3 PDAs (HPC Pro, PPC2k2 on 2 machines and one of them is a small web server). I can run linux on my DreamCast and make that an unhackable webserver too.

As for the Northwood processors, I have not read up on those yet. Last time I built a machine was about 2 months ago for a friend and I am a big sucker for AMD chips since compare to Intel chips, they are a lot cheaper IMO. Last time I bought Intel processors were a pair of Pentium II 400s and those are being used in Ministry of Justic in Bosnia for their webserver/database server. No I lied. I got a Intel StrongArm 206Mhz and Intel XScale 400 Machines sitting infront of me. Sorry.


Should stop being a geek.

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Old 01-13-2003, 01:16 AM
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Ataries were good machines. So were the Apple IIes. I still think current Macintoshes have the best shells outside.

There is only one other case that is better than the Mac cases it was a cube case I saw once. I never seen it again. It stood on it's one corner and it's only 1 cubic foot in space. I want that case.

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Old 01-13-2003, 01:33 AM
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Maybe you could rig up a Shuttle ss51, it now has agp port, gonna get one and install it in my SVX.......just kidding.
But it might be the right option for you, Lwin???
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Old 01-13-2003, 01:51 AM
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I just bought a Hitachi Handheld PC Pro HPW-600ET for 100 for the car. My Toshiba Maestro idea fell through and there is no way I am ripping up my $500 genio 550g PDA to put in the car. Well Maestro was worth 300ish and it currently is functional but in pieces. Hehe...

I told people R&D cost money. As for your car, I can give you ideas when I see you. I only want to give people idea and get parts for people. I hate to rip people's SVXes apart. I can rip mine apart. I had 3 in the last 2 years and I have done it a million times. Just don't feel comfy ripping through other SVXes yet.


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Re: This is totally OT from SVX but on topic on the current topic

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As for the Northwood processors, I have not read up on those yet. Last time I built a machine was about 2 months ago for a friend and I am a big sucker for AMD chips since compare to Intel chips, they are a lot cheaper IMO. Last time I bought Intel processors were a pair of Pentium II 400s and those are being used in Ministry of Justic in Bosnia for their webserver/database server. No I lied. I got a Intel StrongArm 206Mhz and Intel XScale 400 Machines sitting infront of me. Sorry.
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AMD is faster processor, but they also run hotter and are more prone to freezing. Unlike Intel, they don't "throttle back" in the event of overheating. In my opinion, they're cheaper for a reason.

And Boards that support AMD processors (Socket A) won't take the new PC1066 RDRAM (smokes DDR). And I highly doubt that a 2.4 GHZ Intel processor with 512k of chache supporting a 533 MHZ FSB will be the bottleneck on this new system. I'd like to take into account all those other things that affect system performance.

Show me a better socket A board than the Asus p4t533 socket 478. Not going to happen.

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Re: Re: This is totally OT from SVX but on topic on the current topic

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AMD is faster processor, but they also run hotter and are more prone to freezing.
Give me any system, intel, AMD, cyrix (are they still there) macs, sun workstations and I can crash them in minutes. So it all depends on what you are doing to crash the machine. If you are just doing daily work, all machines are fine.

As for the memory, unless you are a gamer, you don't need all the newest RAM technology. I know Quake III is pretty old. I still beat a ton of people in my old duron 900mhz with PC133 512MB RAM.


Just a thought.

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