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Old 10-15-2011, 08:04 AM
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Re: Interior swap blues

And Conn. is tough on DMV regs Maybe PA is impossible then. I found if you are honest go to DMV and say what do I do they will help . . Like said above don't get caught with miss use of plates, worse than driving with no plate for sure . Either leave it blank or do as said above .
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Old 10-15-2011, 09:54 AM
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Dear Benebob, my grandmother worked for the CT DMV for 35 years, and my mother just retired from the DMV two weeks ago after putting in 39 years.
The VIN on the firewall is legit enough to get it titled/registered in CT.

"Customers who need a VIN verification can visit a VIN Verification Emissions Station with their vehicle. These stations charge a $10 fee for VIN verifications."

"VIN Verification Criteria

Should your vehicle be found to have:

Missing primary VIN
Altered or tampered VIN
Improper plate attachment
Secondary location unavailable
VIN unreadable"

http://www.ct.gov/dmv/cwp/view.asp?a=804&q=460746

You take your car with no vin plate to ANY emissions station (private garages), They check your firewall vin, you give them $10, they pass you.

Thanks for your time.
So do they both chain smoke and scream next every 3 minutes? Your giving state laws where the state has very little jurisdiction. You take that same car you speak of to any auto auction (even in Conn) and then it will get rejected for a lack of a visable vin.

The point is by federal law a vehicle must have a visable vin. His car does not. It can not legally be registered, sold, or parted out in its current state. There are many quasi legal and not so legal ways to get it registered but under federal law a car must have a visable vin. Now is the time to recover his losses or explore the legal options for registering the car, there is no real good solution that doesn't have long term consequences.
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Old 10-15-2011, 04:02 PM
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Re: Interior swap blues

Sometimes contentious topics can reveal good discoveries. Federal VIN requirements and FREE VIN history searches are available here http://www.vehicleidentificationnumb...r_content.html

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(f) The VIN for passenger cars, multipurpose passenger vehicles and trucks of 4536 kg or less GVWR shall be located inside the passenger compartment. It shall be readable, without moving any part of the vehicle, through the vehicle glazing under daylight lighting conditions by an observer having 20/20 vision (Snellen) whose eye-point is located outside the vehicle adjacent to the left windshield pillar. Each character in the VIN subject to this paragraph shall have a minimum height of 4 mm.
benebob has it right on this.

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Old 10-18-2011, 05:02 PM
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Re: Interior swap blues

I don't mean to kick a dead horse here but, I see nothing in the regulations that would preclude one from having an honest VIN plate fabricated as long as it meets the 4 mm spec. Low cost, no reason to panic.
Gene, the thread killer.
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Old 10-19-2011, 11:08 AM
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Re: Interior swap blues

Thanks everyone for making such a big deal out of this. Originally I was just blowing off steam, but now I can see where it is a legitimate issue in a car that gets so many parts swapped around.

Much as I might like to go the Dr. Evil route, I think I'll take my chances with the legal one and take my chances with the results.

http://www.dmv.state.pa.us/forms/veh...ingForms.shtml

I'll update the thread when I have more.
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Old 10-19-2011, 04:31 PM
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I don't see anything in the rules that say you can't stamp out a replacement plate with the honest VIN at 4 mm height. Like they do for dog tags. No reason to panic.
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Old 12-12-2011, 08:42 PM
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Re: Interior swap blues

WDB Did u ever get the car registered . We are waiting to hear how you made out .
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Old 12-14-2011, 02:10 AM
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No updates of any consequence. The local garage hooked me up with a contact in the state police, but he has not returned my calls. I will probably end up doing it without his help.
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Old 12-14-2011, 07:47 AM
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What's it been like 4 months
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Old 12-14-2011, 11:38 AM
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if you are going the legitimate route (it sounds like you are) then you would be better off calling a tow company. they would charge you a little money but they can usually fast track a new vin pretty quickly, some even offer this as a regular service.
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Old 12-15-2011, 04:12 AM
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What's it been like 4 months
Now you sound like my wife.

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if you are going the legitimate route (it sounds like you are) then you would be better off calling a tow company. they would charge you a little money but they can usually fast track a new vin pretty quickly, some even offer this as a regular service.
Thanks for the suggestion, I'll check it out.
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Old 06-30-2012, 12:40 PM
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Hopefully I don't shock anyone too greatly but I actually *did* *something* about my VIN issue last week. Actually I started a month or so ago, when I filled out the MV-41 paperwork for getting a new VIN and mailed it in to the state.

They sent it back.

I figured the part that had to be filled out by a state police officer would be handled by them, which in hindsight was probably not too swift on my part. So I called the nearest barracks, eventually got connected with the "vehicle fraud" trooper, and he came out and took a look. He filled out the paperwork verifying that the car was eligible for another VIN. He also told me that I could just get classic car tags and be done with state inspections altogether. Woot!

Except he's wrong.

Antique tags exempt a car from state inspection, but cars with classic tags still face annual inspections. They're just exempt from emissions testing.

So it looks like I'll be getting a brand new VIN courtesy of the Commonwealth. I'll keep you all updated.
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Old 11-03-2012, 12:47 PM
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OK, final update on this topic.

Clif notes: the car is PA legal, inspected, and on the road! Hooray!

Longer version: I reconnected with the state trooper who filled out the MV-41, and told him I was going for the reissued VIN. He sent in his paperwork, I sent in mine. A few weeks later I got back:
  • a new title, with a "V" indicating "Reissued VIN"
  • a new owner's card, with "Reissued VIN" on it
  • a VIN plate from the state of PA
The VIN plate contains the same VIN as the car got from Subaru, plus another number that I suppose is important to the state. The plate gets attached under the hood on the right-hand side, as close to the firewall as possible. Hocus pocus, ala kazam, I'm legal.

The incorrect VIN from the interior swap is still up on the dash. I think I'll put a piece of tape over it or something. No matter what, the next time a police officer takes an interest in the car there's going to be some 'splainin' to do.

In retrospect: if I knew then what I know now, specifically that the dashboard VIN had to match the title in order to get the car inspected, I would have gotten a VIN plate made and attached it to the dash myself.

At any rate, I'm finally, finally! able to drive the SVX without sticking to back roads and looking over my shoulder the whole time. Now I can really get to know the car. I'm looking forward to it.
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