The Subaru SVX World Network   SVX Network Forums
Live Chat!
SVX or Subaru Links
Old Lockers
Photo Post
How-To Documents
Message Archive
SVX Shop Search
IRC users:

Go Back   The Subaru SVX World Network > SVX Main Forums > MOD Mania > Other Mods

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 10-13-2006, 11:29 PM
sicksubie's Avatar
sicksubie sicksubie is offline
Registered User
Subaru Bronze Contributor
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Holden, MA or the White Mountains
Posts: 3,812
Send a message via ICQ to sicksubie Send a message via AIM to sicksubie Send a message via Skype™ to sicksubie
Need advice on what route to take

Alright, I have reached a point where I need to now make a decision on what route I want to go with the SVX. I don't want to spend money on stupid little things without any real direction. I am considering two options and would like feedback on both.
Option 1: Build an EG33; Bored out to 99.0mm with Wiseco custom pistons, the same shop that would do the boring would also work on the crankshaft, Gasket works custom copper head gaskets, I would stick with the stock rods, obviously all new bearings, the head would stay stock for now, but down the road valvesprings, retainers and cams (specifics unknown at this point). Then it would be a turbo set-up similar to Phil's or maybe a stage 3 ECUTune, either with a 6 spd tranny.
+'s: keep the awesome sounding EG33, the sound of a BOV, the whine of a turbo, keeps the AWD
-'s: very limited engine management systems available really puts a cap on the potential of this system ( I know LAN rocks with the stuff he has developed but we still lack big time in this area)

COST: approx$14-17k

Option 2: 302 V8; Trick Flow Twisted Heads, 10.5:1 CR, RWD, 5speed,

+'s: great sounding ford 5.0, completely original, 390rwhp
-'s: Maybe sacreligious to some people, lose the awd capabilities of the car, suspension issues due to front end weight.

COST: approx$9-12k
__________________
Former:
1994 Barcelona Red(x2), 1995 Brilliant Red, 1992 Liquid Silver, 1992 Ebony(x2), 1992 Pearl White (x2)
Current:
2017 Ford Raptor
2017 Kawasaki KLR
1995 Guards Red Carrera
1995 Spec-ish Miata - track car
1957 CJ-5
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 10-13-2006, 11:34 PM
sicksubie's Avatar
sicksubie sicksubie is offline
Registered User
Subaru Bronze Contributor
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Holden, MA or the White Mountains
Posts: 3,812
Send a message via ICQ to sicksubie Send a message via AIM to sicksubie Send a message via Skype™ to sicksubie
And for the nay-sayers please note. The two of us that will be doing this have put a 305 chevy in a 4 door saturn (ridiculously fast) and built a tractor last year and powered it with a 302 out of an old mustang. So the abilities are here to make the V8 fit. However we have not taken final measurements. That will be done hopefully some time this weekend. At that point we will know exactly what will fit. In the mean time post away, rant, rave, offer advice, criticism, anything you want.
__________________
Former:
1994 Barcelona Red(x2), 1995 Brilliant Red, 1992 Liquid Silver, 1992 Ebony(x2), 1992 Pearl White (x2)
Current:
2017 Ford Raptor
2017 Kawasaki KLR
1995 Guards Red Carrera
1995 Spec-ish Miata - track car
1957 CJ-5
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 10-13-2006, 11:56 PM
sicksubie's Avatar
sicksubie sicksubie is offline
Registered User
Subaru Bronze Contributor
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Holden, MA or the White Mountains
Posts: 3,812
Send a message via ICQ to sicksubie Send a message via AIM to sicksubie Send a message via Skype™ to sicksubie
Almost forgot one other project. A log splitter powered by a 2.3L turbo out of an old Ford Thunderbird. There is also a work in process of a lawn tractor powered with the other 2.3L turbo and running on Mickey T's that we have lying around. Just trying to prove that I am crazy enought to possibly attempt this.
__________________
Former:
1994 Barcelona Red(x2), 1995 Brilliant Red, 1992 Liquid Silver, 1992 Ebony(x2), 1992 Pearl White (x2)
Current:
2017 Ford Raptor
2017 Kawasaki KLR
1995 Guards Red Carrera
1995 Spec-ish Miata - track car
1957 CJ-5
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 10-14-2006, 01:02 PM
NeedForSpeed NeedForSpeed is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: SoCal / Texas
Posts: 1,738
Registered SVX
If you consider a v8, get a lighter modern engine, with four cams just like the eg33. The 302 is a dinosaur, heavy cast iron, two-valve, boring engine, nearly 50 years old in design. Okay for a lawn-mower, but not in an svx. All the time and effort, and you are left with a 'drag' car.

If you have to use a v8, use a modern sophisticated engine like the Infiniti, Lexus, Northstar, or whatever fits. We had a thread about that somewhere.
__________________
Special Thanks to Our Friends and Sponsors:
*
http://www.alcyone.org.uk/ssm http://www.PhenixWheels.com http://www.dba.com.au/
http://www.ClassicSoftTrim.com http://ToyoTires.com/tire/pattern/versado-lx Gillman Subaru of Houston
"QuickChange" http://www.TransGo.com/ http://www.PlanetSVX.com Bontrager Works,

'92 Subaru SVX LS-L Claret ORIGINAL OWNER
'92 LS-L Pearl~ '92 LS Pearl~ '92 LS-L Teal~ '92 LS-L Silver~ '95 LSi Polo~
'92 JDM Alcyone SVX Version-L 4WS Pearl~ http://www.subaru-svx.net/forum/showthread.php?t=54143
'92 JDM Alcyone SVX Version-L 4WS Ebony~ http://www.subaru-svx.net/forum/showthread.php?t=54117
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 10-14-2006, 07:14 PM
mikecg's Avatar
mikecg mikecg is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Esconidido, CA
Posts: 2,422
Send a message via AIM to mikecg Send a message via Yahoo to mikecg
Quote:
Originally Posted by sicksubie
Alright, I have reached a point where I need to now make a decision on what route I want to go with the SVX. I don't want to spend money on stupid little things without any real direction. I am considering two options and would like feedback on both.
Option 1: Build an EG33; Bored out to 99.0mm with Wiseco custom pistons, the same shop that would do the boring would also work on the crankshaft, Gasket works custom copper head gaskets, I would stick with the stock rods, obviously all new bearings, the head would stay stock for now, but down the road valvesprings, retainers and cams (specifics unknown at this point). Then it would be a turbo set-up similar to Phil's or maybe a stage 3 ECUTune, either with a 6 spd tranny.
+'s: keep the awesome sounding EG33, the sound of a BOV, the whine of a turbo, keeps the AWD
-'s: very limited engine management systems available really puts a cap on the potential of this system ( I know LAN rocks with the stuff he has developed but we still lack big time in this area)

COST: approx$14-17k

Option 2: 302 V8; Trick Flow Twisted Heads, 10.5:1 CR, RWD, 5speed,

+'s: great sounding ford 5.0, completely original, 390rwhp
-'s: Maybe sacreligious to some people, lose the awd capabilities of the car, suspension issues due to front end weight.

COST: approx$9-12k


Well, if your going to do a V-8 swop, use a Chevy crate motor. My uncle just picked up one to drop in a '69 Camaro body. His is a small block 454ci. Dyno tested at 600hp and 573LB/FT. running straight carberation. A nice LS7 will add big power without as much weight as the 302 ford. If you prefer ford get the newer 4.6L. You need to look at going alumanium block or your going to end up adding way to much weight out in front of the wheels. Personally I'd stick with the EG33, or at worst a 2.5L STi engine. Also for a tranny,(and you didnt hear this from me) the new WRX 5-speed has 3.70 gears and is much strong than the older 5-speeds.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 10-14-2006, 10:30 PM
TomsSVX's Avatar
TomsSVX TomsSVX is offline
Maniac modifier
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Branchburg, New Jersey
Posts: 15,489
Registered SVX Classic SVX
I can fully appreciate the want to put a v8 in the car but it really isn't realistic except for a drag car. There would be too much a weight bias and you would be lighting up the rear tires even with MT's on the car. The nose would be too heavy. If you really want a project... twin EG33 svx. It gonna be auto but it will be fun as hell!!!

Tom
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 10-15-2006, 12:21 AM
92svx95 92svx95 is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: fre"ak"mont Ca
Posts: 290
Well, if your going to do a V-8 swop, use a Chevy crate motor. My uncle just picked up one to drop in a '69 Camaro body. His is a small block 454ci. Dyno tested at 600hp and 573LB/FT.

hmmmm i always thought a 454 ci motor was a big block unless bored and stroked. coming straight from a crait i would assume it was a big block... smallest small block i know of is a 396 rat.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 10-15-2006, 12:22 AM
92svx95 92svx95 is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: fre"ak"mont Ca
Posts: 290
#biggest small block chevy i know of is a 396
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 10-15-2006, 12:26 AM
TomsSVX's Avatar
TomsSVX TomsSVX is offline
Maniac modifier
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Branchburg, New Jersey
Posts: 15,489
Registered SVX Classic SVX
there was a run of 400 small blocks. There was issues with water and oil jackets though, cannot remember which exactly

the 454 is a big block, so you are correct

Tom
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 10-15-2006, 12:41 AM
92svx95 92svx95 is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: fre"ak"mont Ca
Posts: 290
350ci + 400 ci. crank = 383 stroker nice power, but bang for the buck for a crate motor is a 460cobra jet crate motor , offering more ponys then a 502 big block. was informed watchin an episode of horsepower tv my senior year in high school( 5 years ago).. heheh i dont know what is up now as i dished my pony and my 66nova.
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 10-15-2006, 01:02 AM
92svx95 92svx95 is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: fre"ak"mont Ca
Posts: 290
hehehhe twin eg33 svx would be crazy! hmmm mount one eg33 up front and one eg33 in the trunk!!!!! realisticaly, how bout stick with the eg33 and find a way to out perform most v-8's using lans' setup. it is a start and might cost u less down he road... my thoughts
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 10-15-2006, 01:08 PM
It's Just Eric's Avatar
It's Just Eric It's Just Eric is offline
Missing in action
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Tuckerton, NJ, USA
Posts: 3,027
Send a message via AIM to It's Just Eric
Registered SVX
...two 2.5l turbo engines in the engine bay with some nice short tranny you can jam into the firewall so they fit. Thatll give ya an 8 cylinder and rwd, AND turbochargers and a vast aftermarket. Plus it would be a pain in the ass to build, so its a perfect match of everything
__________________
R.I.P Cool Signature.
You're gone but not forgotten. I mean, sure, I kindof don't remember some of the finer details..but I remember you were funny, and at one point you said spaghetti in Dutch....but definantly not forgotten

Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 10-16-2006, 05:16 AM
mikecg's Avatar
mikecg mikecg is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Esconidido, CA
Posts: 2,422
Send a message via AIM to mikecg Send a message via Yahoo to mikecg
Quote:
Originally Posted by 92svx95

hmmmm i always thought a 454 ci motor was a big block unless bored and stroked. coming straight from a crait i would assume it was a big block... smallest small block i know of is a 396 rat.

The LS7 in the new Z06 Vette is a 427 small block. It isnt the same small block as the previous chevys, but they still label it as a small block. The 454 my uncle got is based on that block.

Last edited by mikecg; 10-16-2006 at 08:44 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 10-16-2006, 07:04 AM
sicksubie's Avatar
sicksubie sicksubie is offline
Registered User
Subaru Bronze Contributor
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Holden, MA or the White Mountains
Posts: 3,812
Send a message via ICQ to sicksubie Send a message via AIM to sicksubie Send a message via Skype™ to sicksubie
Thats what my friend suggested. He wants to take the 427 and make it a mid engine car. If he owned the car ( cuz he has the money and def the time) he would probably do it.
__________________
Former:
1994 Barcelona Red(x2), 1995 Brilliant Red, 1992 Liquid Silver, 1992 Ebony(x2), 1992 Pearl White (x2)
Current:
2017 Ford Raptor
2017 Kawasaki KLR
1995 Guards Red Carrera
1995 Spec-ish Miata - track car
1957 CJ-5
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 10-16-2006, 09:00 AM
bwb3's Avatar
bwb3 bwb3 is offline
Cruisin' in Gator Country
Alcyone Gold Contributor
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Gainesville, Florida
Posts: 1,894
Registered SVX Classic SVX
The 302 Windsor is shorter front to back. We're putting one with a 5 speed in my son's 242 Volvo. The Chevy engine would have required cutting and welding on the firewall and tranny tunnel to fit.
Gene
__________________
Gene and Ben
1992 SVX LS AWD 110K - Liquid Silver
1994 SVX LSi AWD 128K - White Pearl (daily driver)
1994 SVX LSi AWD 95K - Emerald Pearl (sold)
1992 SVX LS-L AWD 115K - Dark Teal 4.44 swap (sold)
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 08:46 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
© 2001-2015 SVX World Network
(208)-906-1122