Chevy "Forester" ---- SUbaru "Forester" - Page 4

benebob · #46 06-01-2005, 06:43 AM

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Originally Posted by pavanbabut

On GM site they mentioned Fuji/Subaru and 3 other companies as GM network. So, i think SUBARU is just a company which is iin its network, so tht it can also market its products where GM markets. But changing the badge is bad though. Thinking on these lines, i am little bit relaxed.

-Pavan.

20% of Fuji's stock isn't quite part of the network. Granted they aren't saab which is now fully a GM brand (on commercials and all) but not just marketing partners.

drivemusicnow · #47 06-01-2005, 07:44 AM

why do you think car companies are having to "band" together??? the automotive market is one of the most retarded business markets in the world. the only way to stay making money is to create engines or chassis that you can sell to as many different markets as possible. Otherwise, you'll end up like mitsu... who was doing great with the 'DSM' and other joint ventures, and now is up sh!t creek without a paddle.

The only way subaru can survive with the world market as it is, is to sell large volumes of cars. they need a "taurus" or "cavalier" that they can sell huge numbers of every year... while we all want another SVX, its pretty obvious all it did for subaru was cost an huge amount of money. I'd be interested all in all how much each SVX actually cost Subaru. I'd bet its more than the sticker price. What I don't understand, is why Subaru then didn't then use the EG33 in other applications... like the outback or something.

face it, the only way car manufacturers can keep prices competitive is to share parts, engines, chassis, and sometimes even whole cars. ESPECIALLY now that chinese cars are on their way...

NapaBavarian · #48 06-01-2005, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by pavanbabut

But personally wht do u guys think, do u like chevy selling our subarus with their badge on it in other countries?... yes/no?

-Pavan.

Don't really care, I only care who the origional builder is, for instance I would get a dodge/freightliner sprinter in a heartbeat and swap the front end back to mercedes

NapaBavarian · #49 06-01-2005, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by benebob

Well I didn't bring up Ford and the 500/ Volvo or Mazda Focus so I'm guessing that wasn't you. Ford isn't too far behind the 8 ball.

My ford/gm love is just slightly above my love of chrystler, and when it comes to chrystler, I'd rather drive a honds, I may not like honda, but I can at least respect their reliability

NapaBavarian · #50 06-01-2005, 09:43 AM

Perhaps chevy forester could be a steping stone into india for subaru, it sounds like there is no name recognition for them there so if their cars start making it onto the road and later they start selling to the country under their own name then "forester" and the shape of the body will already be implanted into the indian mind.

my two pennies...

pavanbabut · #51 06-01-2005, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by NapaBavarian

Perhaps chevy forester could be a steping stone into india for subaru, it sounds like there is no name recognition for them there so if their cars start making it onto the road and later they start selling to the country under their own name then "forester" and the shape of the body will already be implanted into the indian mind.

my two pennies...

yep i too hope soooo....

#52 06-01-2005, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by drivemusicnow

I'd bet its more than the sticker price. What I don't understand, is why Subaru then didn't then use the EG33 in other applications... like the outback or something.

I heard a rumour that Subaru lost, on average, $3,000 per SVX. This includes all the special offers they had to make in order to sell the cars towards the end of production, and money lost on warranty repairs (lots of tranny's in 91-92).

The reason the 3.3 wasn't shared with any other Subaru is probably cost. The 3.3 cost a lot more to produce than the 2.2 or 2.5. In order to keep the cost low on the Legacy/Outback platform they had to stick with a 4 cylinder until they became more popular and people were willing to pay more.

Dave

n00b on demand · #53 06-01-2005, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by NapaBavarian

Perhaps chevy forester could be a steping stone into india for subaru, it sounds like there is no name recognition for them there so if their cars start making it onto the road and later they start selling to the country under their own name then "forester" and the shape of the body will already be implanted into the indian mind.

my two pennies...

Unfortunatley people there will think that the forester is a chevy brand and that subaru just put its badges on it here in the states

drivemusicnow · #54 06-01-2005, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by red95svx

I heard a rumour that Subaru lost, on average, $3,000 per SVX. This includes all the special offers they had to make in order to sell the cars towards the end of production, and money lost on warranty repairs (lots of tranny's in 91-92).

The reason the 3.3 wasn't shared with any other Subaru is probably cost. The 3.3 cost a lot more to produce than the 2.2 or 2.5. In order to keep the cost low on the Legacy/Outback platform they had to stick with a 4 cylinder until they became more popular and people were willing to pay more.

Dave

wow... a lot of cash to lose 15K times...

True, the 3.3 was more expensive to produce, however, the engineering costs that had already been put into would have been a far larger $$ value. I guess i don't understand why they didnt' create the "LL bean outback" or something like it when they realized the SVX was going down... The engine is the single best thing about the SVX... doesn't make sense for them to put that amount of effort and time into the engine, and not at least try to cross it over somewhere. they could have charged more for the larger engine, displacing the cost.

pavanbabut · #55 06-01-2005, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by red95svx

I heard a rumour that Subaru lost, on average, $3,000 per SVX. This includes all the special offers they had to make in order to sell the cars towards the end of production, and money lost on warranty repairs (lots of tranny's in 91-92).

The reason the 3.3 wasn't shared with any other Subaru is probably cost. The 3.3 cost a lot more to produce than the 2.2 or 2.5. In order to keep the cost low on the Legacy/Outback platform they had to stick with a 4 cylinder until they became more popular and people were willing to pay more.

Dave

Landshark · #56 06-01-2005, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by drivemusicnow

wow... a lot of cash to lose 15K times...

True, the 3.3 was more expensive to produce, however, the engineering costs that had already been put into would have been a far larger $$ value.

i imagine a lot of the engineering for the 3.3 was used for the 3.0 H-6, so not a wasted effort i guess.

pavanbabut · #57 06-01-2005, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by soobiesvx93

Unfortunatley people there will think that the forester is a chevy brand and that subaru just put its badges on it here in the states

Yep... thts true... Indians r tooo sentimental, once they stick to one they wont forget forever no matter (good or bad) wht happens.

-Pavan.

Earthworm · #58 06-01-2005, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by drivemusicnow

they could have charged more for the larger engine, displacing the cost.

Pun intended?

I don't like the fact GM is putting their names on Subarus. Next they will be in creative control and Subaru will end up as nothing more than a brand. The biggest change to me will be when we see a non-H (read: GM) engine in a new Subaru here in the US.

pavanbabut · #59 06-01-2005, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Earthworm

Pun intended?

The biggest change to me will be when we see a non-H (read: GM) engine in a new Subaru here in the US.

then i will blow up my SVX and Subaru of america.

Matthewmongan · #60 06-01-2005, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Earthworm

Pun intended?

I don't like the fact GM is putting their names on Subarus. Next they will be in creative control and Subaru will end up as nothing more than a brand. The biggest change to me will be when we see a non-H (read: GM) engine in a new Subaru here in the US.

when that happens im going to blow up the dealorships..... with pickit signs and hand grenades.